1.8TSI and 2.0TSI engine failures

[flinflon]

Bad luck, but I doubt it's personal. Caffyns of T/Wells gave me same answer to same query. Brings to mind that immortal phrase "they would, wouldn't they" (after Ms M Rice).

[Auric Goldfinger]

3 hours ago, rod_hulls_aerial said:

Hayselden Skoda Doncaster

 

Take your Laptop in and ask the dealer to read page 1 to 62, then ask if its the first he has heard of it..............

[rayx]

21 hours ago, rod_hulls_aerial said:

They have currently got the head off looking for the problem. Apparently they haven't heard of any failures on these engines. 

I agree, they must be mad ... What about chain and tensioner for oil pump, when they done the timing, all done correctly??? No, instead of checking that area they take off the head ...

http://workshop-manuals.com/volkswagen/golf-mk6/power_unit/4-cylinder_injection_engine_(1.8_and_2.0_l_engine_chain_drive)/engine_cylinder_head_valve_gear/chain_drive/removing_and_installing_camshaft_timing_chain/

Have they measured oil pressure at all???

http://workshop-manuals.com/volkswagen/golf-mk6/power_unit/4-cylinder_injection_engine_(1.8_and_2.0_l_engine_chain_drive)/engine_lubrication/oil_filter_engine_oil_cooler_and_oil_pressure_switch_(engine_codes_ccza_cczb_cczc_cczd_cdaa_cdab)/checking_oil_pressure_and_oil_pressure_switch/

 

Edited 15 January, 2018 by rayx

[Volfi]

Another engine issue - 

Resulted in full service of engine. New pistons nearly replaced everything.

 

R

[tomalone]

Hi guys, reading your posts I wanted to chime in about my 1.8 TSI 160HP BZB engine from 2008, having problems with "mixture too lean" and all sorts of related errors like:

        P0101 - MAF Circuit Range/Performance
        P0299 - Turbocharger/Supercharger A Underboost Condition
        P1946 - Control Module 1 for Coolant 
        P1951 - Radiator Fan 2 Movement Restricted / Jammed 
        P1948 - Control Module 2 for Coolant Fan 
        P1950 - Radiator Fan Movement Restricted / Jammed
        P1945 - Control Module 1 for Coolant  
        P0171 - System Too Lean
        P0300 - Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected 
        P0304 - Cylinder 4 Four Misfire Detected 
        P119A - Fuel Pressure Sensor (G247) : Malfunction 
        P3138 - Intake Manifold Runner Control: Regulation Deviation

 

I got those related to FAN due to a little accident, in which my car swallowed a hawk on the German Authobahn. A/C still working though.

In VDCS I see adaptation for fuel at idle only at around 21% (channel 33).

Couple of days later, check engine light gets on, because ECU cant compensate more. Then I see P0171 (too lean) sometimes together with P119A (g247 malfuction). I replaced the sensor to the OEM one, no change. Weeks later I see a number of additional ones: P0101, P0299, P3138. I did clean the MAF and the aribox recently and swapped the air filter to the K+N one.

When it gets cold, this issue is getting dramatic - I get misfires and engine just shuts off right after ignition or in the traffic. I guess that's knock control that says his to do so.

 

Because the issue is mostly prevalent at idle, I suspect an air/vacuum leak somewhere. But I've checked all (I hope) the hoses for hissing sound, touched them, squizzed them and found nothing except one kinda leaking but I'm not sure what's that, could you guys help?

 

 

The engine is running rough at idle - especially when it's cold. Sitting in the car is like being pushed forwards and backwards because the engine "wiggles".

It also rattles kinda like a diesel to me although couple of mechanics in Germany and in Poland  including Dealer said it's normal to them.

1.8 tsi rattling?

 

I thought of changing chain but 093 value 3 says -2.7 degrees so it should be OK. This value changes from time to time to -5.7 I don't know why.

091 value 3 and 4 say both 34 kW - at idle.

141 value 4 - Fuel pressure at idle is around 39-40bars, although spec found on Russian internet says 50 - 150bars. Two mechanics said there is no spec for BZB

 

Knock control:

Channel 026

2.0 V

2.4 V

1.4 V

1.7 V

 

Output tests say my CAT is down - it was alright 6 months ago, I guess those misfires and lean mixture killed it recently.

 

What I found too is that the hole engine is covered in oil.. I guess that's an expensive job, right?

 

Any comments are very well seen

 

[Josh92C]

Hi all,

 

I've just picked up a 59 Plate TSI VRs, with 56k miles, reading this it seems I need to replace my tensioner??? Without having to read 62 pages of comments (lazy I know!) can anybody provide any information on this? Can I do this myself? If yes is there any part numbers or links to the revised tensioner? If not has anybody had this replaced at Local Independant Specialists and can give me a rough cost??

 

Thanks in advance

[kton200281]

4 hours ago, Josh92C said:

Hi all,

 

I've just picked up a 59 Plate TSI VRs, with 56k miles, reading this it seems I need to replace my tensioner??? Without having to read 62 pages of comments (lazy I know!) can anybody provide any information on this? Can I do this myself? If yes is there any part numbers or links to the revised tensioner? If not has anybody had this replaced at Local Independant Specialists and can give me a rough cost??

 

Thanks in advance

 

It’s not really a diy job in my view, but can be done. Involves taking an engine mount off and supporting engine, and it’s not the easiest of spaces to work in. I paid £282 for mine to be done at an independent vw specialist. That was purely the tensioner only, no chain, no side cover. There was a later revision of the chain so you may want to consider replacing this too whilst it’s opened up. Some will also recommend replacing guides and other bits, but as a bare minimum you need the latest k version of the tensioner fitted. 

[ZZR600]

Like many other Skoda owners, I've noticed that my Yeti 1.8TSI consumes far more oil than a modern car should. It has been pointed out on this forum and others that this appears to be a result of faulty design of piston rings. 

 

I'm considering suing Skoda UK for the cost of repairs to my Yeti, that I've been told may need a new engine due to oil consumption of over 1.2 litres every 600 miles.  If you own an oil burner 1.8TSI, would you consider joining in the suit? If so, just reply yes to this thread and I'll put together a list of potential litigants. 

 

In the USA, you can sue companies, and Audi owners have successfully claimed compensation

 

https://www.driving.co.uk/news/british-audi-drivers-battle-for-compensation-over-excessive-oil-consumption/ 

[Centipede]

Yes. Definitely - Either directly or with some financial support (for legal expanses).

I have been in contact with someone in the trade and they say they are seeing a large number of cars with these problems (excessive oil consumption).

Skoda are very definitely aware of the situation.

 

[ZZR600]

I've set up a separate message board on http://skodaoilburners.freeforums.net/thread/2/considering-class-action-lawsuit-skoda?page=1&scrollTo=2 specifically to find people who have had problems with excessive oil consumption in Skoda or other VW group car engines.

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[blackspaven]

SIgned it.

[rayx]

I am afraid no chance to win in Europe ... Good luck though

http://www.audiclaim.com/

[Old Blue]

Hi I have a Aug 2012 VRS estate which according to paperwork is a 2013 model??

How can I tell whether it is a 2012 model or a 2013.

I need to find out as I have / supposed to have a timing chain rattle. SUK don't want to know even with the amount of VW / Skoda / Porsche cars etc i have owned.

I have no goodwill with the local squealer as they went out of business last year in Basingstoke., and SUK have not found a replacement.

Am I in the proverbial with this ?  39,000 on the clock and coming up 5 years old always serviced every year with Skoda except last 2 years when I have used MPC based in Basingstoke.

 

Any help info would be gratefully received! Thanks

[rod_hulls_aerial]

43 minutes ago, Old Blue said:

Hi I have a Aug 2012 VRS estate which according to paperwork is a 2013 model??

How can I tell whether it is a 2012 model or a 2013.

I need to find out as I have / supposed to have a timing chain rattle. SUK don't want to know even with the amount of VW / Skoda / Porsche cars etc i have owned.

I have no goodwill with the local squealer as they went out of business last year in Basingstoke., and SUK have not found a replacement.

Am I in the proverbial with this ?  39,000 on the clock and coming up 5 years old always serviced every year with Skoda except last 2 years when I have used MPC based in Basingstoke.

 

Any help info would be gratefully received! Thanks

Don't drive it. If the chain is rattling but the car is running ok I'd highly recommend getting it looked at without driving it anymore. The damage that is caused when they jump a tooth really hurts the wallet.

[Old Blue]

1 hour ago, rod_hulls_aerial said:

Don't drive it. If the chain is rattling but the car is running ok I'd highly recommend getting it looked at without driving it anymore. The damage that is caused when they jump a tooth really hurts the wallet.

As I said earlier I have had it checked at a local garage with a good reputation. They said it was a hard to hear noise you had to be under the car to hear it. Its been like this for a about 3 weeks since I took the car to a garage that had fitted a new exhaust which was rattling. They could not find the rattle??? but mentioned a noise from the front end? Today I took in to my usual garage about the noise. Thy fixed the exhaust rattle and said the other noise was the timing chain. They told me to bring it back in a week and they booked it in. My previous email tell what happens Contacting SUK . Nothing? Garage told me to take it easy now I am being told not to drive at all??? Been hacking up the M3 at 80 since first told / Is than an Oops? Thanks!!

[rayx]

Interesting information, what a typical German mess

 

TPI 2025422/3

Customer statement / workshop findings
Engine oil consumption over manufacturer data (over 0.5 litre per 1000 km).
Technical background
Quality differences of the pistons.
Production change
Measure
Check oil consumption if necessary replace the pistons with piston rings.
• Establish the real oil consumption with the guided fault finding
• If it is over 0.5 litre per 1000 km, replace all 4 pistons (old part number 06H 107 065 BS) with new part number 06H 107 065 BK according to the repair manual.

Technical product information 2025422_3.pdf

 

TPI 2025422/9

Werkstattfeststellung:
• Der Motorölverbrauch liegt über den Herstellerangaben (über 0,5 Liter auf 1.000 Kilometer).Technischer Hintergrund
Serieneinsatz
Einsatz optimierter Kolben und Kolbenringe:
• ab der Motornummer: CDA_482228
Maßnahme
Wenn der tatsächliche Ölverbrauch über 0,5 Liter auf 1.000 Kilometer liegt:
• Alle 4 Kolben gemäß ⇒ Reparaturleitfaden/ OT-Katalog ersetzen.
• Bei Motoren vor der Motornummer: CDA 221245 müssen zusätzlich zu den Kolben auch die Pleuelstangen gemäß ⇒ Reparaturleitfaden/ OTKatalog ersetzt werden.

Bei Motoren vor der Motornummer: CDA 221245, die aufgrund einer Vorreparatur bereits neue Kolben mit der OT-Nummer 06H 107 065 CP oder 06H 107 065 DF bekommen haben,

müssen die Pleuelstangen nicht zusätzlich ersetzt werden!

Technische Produktinformation 2025422_9.pdf

[flinflon]

My Octavia has reached the "twitching" mileage of 31,000. It is also doubly damned by having a DSG box.

 

After reading most of the pages here, I wonder if the car will survive another 9 months to next service/MOT. Perhaps it would be more sensible to sell (or even scrap) before the engine blows (or the DSG gives out). The cost to "fix" potential engine failure (and not forgetting the cursed DSG) seems to be more than the car is worth. I have been offered £1000 by an acquaintance.

 

I use the car for local shopping and taking rubbish to the nearby tip, I daren't go much further.

 

Am I being over cautious?

[TheClient]

Depends. What year / month is it manufactured. Is there an oil usage problem now?

[Ootohere]

The  DSG is not a major issue as to a high failure rate.

If a DQ200 DSG / 7 Speed Twin Dry Clutch did it get the Service Campaign carried out,  '34F7',  Synthetic Oil changed to mineral & a software update?

[flinflon]

I should have stated that it is a 59 plate, first registered Dec2009. I have owned it from new. No major oil usage, although a litre had to be added after about 6 months old, thereafter engine oil changed regardless of mileage during annual service. In 2010 original variable service changed to fixed after discussion with Skoda UK.

 

I do remember a Skoda? recall for which the 7speed dry clutch did have a change of oil and I think also a software update. Not sure when that was, I'll have to go thru a pile of invoices to see.

 

[TheClient]

Sounds like you might be being a bit too panicky.

 

But there are big issues and costs at stake.  If there is either a severe DSG problem or an engine failure or critical fault, it will write the car off. But that is not uncommon in today's vehicles....

 

59 plate, If the tensioner has never been done that is a risk with no guaranteed warning, it would cost £600 plus to resolve.  If the oil scraper rings clog, that is a new engine or rebuild £5k plus.  DSG failure, rebuild, £3k plus?  But you don't presently have a DSG issue and you don't have an oil consumption problem. So, I think your car may be worth more than that £1k offered to you in use, or maybe worth hanging onto.  If you do hang on to it, I would suggest you consider the timing chain tensioner and timing chain and related ancilliaries as remedial work...

 

Ultimately,it is your decision, I have no crystal ball and I can't guarantee an outcome...

 

[Ootohere]

flinflon, 

the sticker should be in the boot with '34F7' on it and the date done.

Not before May 2014 in the UK.

[TheClient]

12 hours ago, TheClient said:

 

59 plate, If the tensioner has never been done that is a risk with no guaranteed warning, it would cost £600 plus to resolve. 

 

I meant to say to "prevent" (not resolve) timing chain tensioner failure would cost £600 plus to change out required parts from an independent. 

 

That would give a good level of assurance from that fault.  Your car, 59 plate,  will have a very early main timing chain tensioner design which was particularly prone to failure, if it has not ever been changed.  To resolve a tensioner issue once failure has occurred is commonly a new engine so £5k plus... Sometimes you can get lucky with valve only damage. Or if you have won the lottery, you could escape damage - but unlikely. 

[flinflon]

Yes, as you say sticker in the boot, so DSG should be OK.

New timing chain tensioner looks to be a good idea. If I can't find suitable indy garage and have to go with dealer I suppose charge will be double.

 

Thanks for advice.

 

PS  I do wonder how many 59 plate 1.8 tsi s with more than 30,000 miles are out there on the open road poodling along completely carefree! 

[Ootohere]

Loads with more than 30,000 miles, 

maybe not so many with under 40,000 in 9 years, so look forward to yours long and happy life.