Breaking VW Emissions Scandal -Mk I

[lozparry]

Someone might make the link between Audi drivers and their levels of intelligence.

Thanks ! whoops edit

 

[not an Audi driver yet...!]

[James@RRG_Skoda_Rochdale]

adblue and SCR is now rolling out on yetis and the new superb.

[lol-lol]

I doubt that any owners have the option to ignore this worldwide emmissions scandal.

It's probably out of our hands......but you might get an offer from VW you can't refuse seeing v few second hand prospective buyers are going to touch them at anything other than a massive discount .

Lawyers are lining up to screw VW.

 

They deserve everything they get and more.  Cheating NO costs lives.  Personally believe it should be treated similar to the BP Gulf of Mexico issue.    

[JohnMcL7]

Whilst not ordinarily a conspiracy theorist it smarts of US looking after its own... First Toyota after it overtook GM as largest vehicle producer and now VW after it was in #1 spot.

 

The irregularity in emissions was actually first found in Europe not America, the group that carried out the testing in the US were chosen for their specialisation in emissions testing having previously uncovered a similar problem in the US trucking industry and because the authorities in the US were more likely to act on it which they have.  The European group didn't find the same problem on other cars initially nor in testing afterwards and now that VW have admitted they did do as accused I'm struggling to see how that could be a conspiracy.

 

How did this all happen? To start, there had been a pattern of non-compliance in emissions observed by a joint research commission in Europe. A list of VW products dominated that list. This research commission then reached out to a non-profit group, the International Council for Clean Transportation (ICCT), to conduct investigative testing. The ICCT next funded West Virginia University (WVU) to do various tests.

Why WVU? It had experience in this sort of testing, but mainly WVU's previous work focused on commercial trucks. Sure enough, the institution had found data that showed commercial trucks in the US were out of compliance with emissions regulations in 1998, which led to a $1 billion fine levied against the trucking industry.

http://arstechnica.com/cars/2015/09/vws-dirty-mission-wheres-the-beginning-and-wheres-the-end/

 

Similarly there were genuine faults with the Toyotas in question, Toyota didn't do a recall for the sake of it to keep the US happy.

 

John

[JohnMcL7]

Their main gripe at the moment is with the NOx output which diesels produce far more of than petrols.

If the US authorities choose to investigate other VW AG models then they'll have to check other brands too or run the risk of singling out VW. I'm sure if they check they'll produce similar findings across the board.

 

Other brands have already been checked, the reason this all kicked off was because of a large number of VW vehicles showing inconsistent emissions results which has turned out to be correct, a few other models were checked at the same time and no similar behaviour was found.

 

John

[James@RRG_Skoda_Rochdale]

I've seen a source that explained that out of 10 mixed, multi brand vehicles only 1 of them fell within regulations. I'd be quite certain that other manufacturers are up to the same things.

I know of at least 2 software issues that 2 different Japanese manufacturers have that cause emissions issues, one being a hybrid that can't pass the fast idle test and the other having the emission control system partially deactivated to prevent further faults.

[Breezy_Pete]

I can't help wondering how the hell VW thought they would not get busted for this. :think:

(Busted in the sense of 'found out').

[James@RRG_Skoda_Rochdale]

I can't help wondering how the hell VW thought they would not get busted for this. :think:

(Busted in the sense of 'found out').

perhaps someone's pocket was persuaded...

[silver1011]

Due to the levels of interest Skoda UK have had to field from customers they have today published this bulletin on their website...

 

http://www.skoda.co.uk/news/pages/volkswagen-ag-has-issued-the-following-information.aspx

[Sad555]

I'm in bit of a dilemma now ,if I can p/x a VAG car anywhere do I go for a new diesel that requires 10gal of ADBLUE per mile to meet EU regulations or a petrol Tsi that requires 10 gal of oil per mile?

[Totally Square]

Which engines are the offending engines guys?

EA189. That model was from 2004, with the emissions device in the US from 2009. 

 

Question to be answered: Were EU tests (eg UK MOT) detected by the engine software as a special condition case, resulting in a change in engine parameters to artificially and temporarily reduce emissions?

 

It's possible: the only comment so far is that EU6 diesels are not affected. No comment on EU5. (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/volkswagen-emissions-scandal-winterkorn-still-needs-answers para 7).

 

This will be painful for VAG for sure. The Americans tend to throw white collar fraudsters in jail (or even gaol).  

[agh321]

Is my Yeti 1.6tdi part of the VW emissions sarga

[Claymore]

Behave!

 

AdBlue is currently being fitted to some Skoda models today, the usage remains minimal and is perfectly manageable. It can even be topped up by the owner if required.

 

Skoda Yeti AdBlue.jpg

 

This should keep you going for a good while!

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SILVERHOOK-ADBLUE-10kg-DRUM-/361335683301?hash=item542148f8e5

 

The point is that maybe useage is minimal because the car is programmed to only use it in very few situations, one of which being when it 'senses' that it's being tested.

 

If it is subsequently forced to be used continuously to comply with the regulations that it's software previously allowed it to only selectively acknowledge, maybe you'll need a tanker of it in your drive.

 

Only surmising.l

[silver1011]

I guess until we know for sure which engines are affected we can't say for certain.

There are however other non-VAG manufacturers using AdBlue in their cars and consumption is enough to not have to worry about it inbetween regular servicing.

[Ootohere]

In what way,

is it not the car that you thought it was when you bought it?

[Claymore]

that doesn't make any sense on their part seeing as though it's only diesel engined cars that have been labelled as having the issue.

Maybe the point is that the entire brand is devalued now and it doesn't matter whether VAGs pants are round their ankles (this time) because of diesel or petrol, and who knows what's been going on there (petrol that is).

 

It also doesn't matter who else has been ****ing on their chips as long the aroma of their own urea has not yet been detected.......and in fact might even be ignored.

 

After all one great big sausage on the BBQ might be enough to 'encourages les autres' as maybe the French used to say.

[Ryeman]

I guess until we know for sure which engines are affected we can't say for certain.

There are however other non-VAG manufacturers using AdBlue in their cars and consumption is enough to not have to worry about it inbetween regular servicing.

A regularly used expression...

At this point in time.

[PaveyArk]

So which models of Skodas have the EA189 engine? I'm confused because I thought it affected just the new adblue ones, but this article says they're the older ones:-

http://www.praguepost.com/the-big-story/49886-some-older-skoda-cars-may-have-rigged-vw-engines

[FLAPPERJACK7]

So which models of Skodas have the EA189 engine? I'm confused because I thought it affected just the new adblue ones, but this article says they're the older ones:-

http://www.praguepost.com/the-big-story/49886-some-older-skoda-cars-may-have-rigged-vw-engines

2.0 tdi common rail mainly. Also 1.6 common rail.

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So all models of Skoda circa 2010 to 2015.

Edited 22 September, 2015 by FLAPPERJACK7

[xman]

It affects all cars with EA189 engines which is the 2.0 cr diesel 140ps engine 1st gen manufactured roughly 2008-2012, maybe later as far as Skoda is concerned as they generally fit VWs older generation engines. So this won't affect Fabias,Roomsters,Rapids but definitely hit Octavias,Superbs and possibly some Yetis.

These are fitted with NOx adsorber/trap cats, later gen2 (euro 6) use 3 way Scr with adblue injection, these engines are not involved.

Edited 22 September, 2015 by xman

[Ootohere]

Interesting that Newsnight on BBC2 has shown that they showed in December 2014 how the cars could go into a different mode when being tested to run with less emissions.

[FLAPPERJACK7]

Cayc 1.6 common rail engine is on the list. It's in all Skoda model's.

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2010 to 2015

Edited 22 September, 2015 by FLAPPERJACK7

[PaveyArk]

Looks like all but one of the Yeti diesels had the EA189s apart from the latest 150PS according to Wikipedia:-

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Škoda_Yeti

Edited 22 September, 2015 by PaveyArk

[VAGCF]

If they recall it, it may not be!

[looby]

I shouldn't worry about it, a few Yetis running down the shops and back is not important. The cost to industry to switch back to petrol for Fleets would be millions and threaten the economy so I doubt anything will happen and it will be forgotten about after the next big story arrives..... :sun:  :sun: