Thanks. I thought that was the case. Anyone know if gas measurements are made in any other European countries' MOT equivalents?

2017  - VW tries to make back the money they lost in fines and class actions by selling their 'special' adblu at $50 a litre (special being adblue coloured green). Use of up to 1l per 250 miles is within tolerance (I await the Downfall vid)

 

You can't use normal adblue coz VW state it has to be their 'special mix' (WV708.2)or you'll invalidate the warranty.

 

But you can get a special discount of -$500 on your old VW aginst a new one.

 

The majority of actions against VW were declared invalid shortly after VW donated a few million bucks to selected Republican Senetors and agreed to move all European production to North Dakota.

I suspect this scandal may affect the resell value of all diesels.   This will hit all car companies especially as they like the PCP model so much.

Can any UK (this type of) diesel owners pop up a scan of their last MOT emissions test?

What's measured?

 

I thought we dieselists only had a smoke test on the MOT?

Yeah, rev confirmed that a few posts back. I was kinda trying to reassure UK diesel owners, a little.

I thought we dieselists only had a smoke test on the MOT?

Your correct according to this (page 14)

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/346222/emissions_17th_edition.pdf

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@Wino

the UK based diesel emissions test only measures smoke opacity, no specific gases are monitored during the session on the smoke meter.

But the car still has to meet specific emissions regulations to be legally sold and used. Not every aspect of Euro 6 is checked at MOT time currently, but that doesn't mean the car doesn't have to comply.

The question - which may have been asked as I have not read the whole thread - is what comeback do we have (and on whom) if we are

 

• Forced to purchase an additive if they modify the engines to take one
• Have higher fuel consumption as a result of software/hardware changes
• Have a lower resale value as a result of the deception

As these would or could all result from VW's (Skoda's) utterly deliberate and cynical dishonesty there would seem to be a case.  I can see a class action here let alone in the US!

As a non CR TDi owner, can I request a 'Smug PD Owner' emoji?

At least until my DPF gives up!

But the car still has to meet specific emissions regulations to be legally sold and used. Not every aspect of Euro 6 is checked at MOT time currently, but that doesn't mean the car doesn't have to comply.

Fair point, but I can only imagine that any such non-compliance has to be treated as a 'special case' for the time being, and surely no draconian action can be taken against owners by Governments, because it's really not their fault. I'd be absolutely amazed if anyone's VED goes up as a result of this, for instance.

Your cars in the UK meet the Current UK Emissions for Dirty Diesels if passing the UK MOTS.

Where is the beef?

If the Government change the Emissions you have to meet during a UK MOT, then there is the issue.

If that happens, then the Manufacturers are really sunk.

 

'Diesel Scrappage Scheme' coming up hopefully from George Osborne, the Future UK Prime Minister,

& that should boost the Chinese & Far Eastern Car Industry that has Factories in Great Britain.

 

In the US the car on the Rolling Road recognised it was on a rolling road because the 4 wheels pointed in the same direction 

and the Front Wheels were Driving (turning) and the rears were not turning,

and the ECU put the Default / Test / Defeat Device into Operation to have full Emission Control operating to meet the

Strict Emissions Required in the States where the testing is being done.

 

So it is the Issue there, and now all change here which is what the Car Manufacturing Industry really needed.

The Country is sinking under the weight of Used cars, and many of the older ones are less polution 

than the Euro 4, Euro 5 Diesels that Business and Private buyers in the UK were encouraged to buy by Governments and the Taxation System.

 

The UK was going to have to sort out Pollution in UK Cities anyway, 

so now here is the perfect opportunity.

Yeah, I believe that will be the case. If VED goes up, VW will probably pick up the bill, like they currently do with models that have been incorrectly put in the wrong bracket. However, the vehicle would still be need to be made to comply at some point, which is the far worse part with much more serious consequences. If this is as bad as it is made out to be, I wouldn't rule out a buy-back program (with the cars then being dumped in less concerned countries).

 

A knock on from this will probably be that stricter checks for DPFs in the MOT will come much quicker along with NOx checks.

The next time my wife asks me if she look's fat in this dress. I will say ask Volkswagen.

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If only I needed an excuse to stay with my clean petrol engine car. :clap:

I really can't get over the fuss is some respects.

 

Make a test that a product has to meet before it can be sold, & manufactures will make that produce meet the test..............simples

 

Don't word the test/documentation correctly & the manufacturers will find the "loop holes weak spots"....................simples

 

 

same for MPG tests, F1 rules, hell even my boiler has a special "test mode"....................

 

TBO I would still have a non compliant VW diesel over any other USA car.................I think it's just the USA having a go at a non USA company................................so I hope VAG blow the whistle on what they know about the USA manufacturers.................

 

Because early last year the deal for VAG to buy out/merge with Fiat/Chrysler failed...............I wonder if Chrysler are the ones who blew the whistle on this as revenge?.................

http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/about-us/news/686/volkswagen-ag-has-issued-the-following-information:

Lets see what is said and the actions taken post today's Board meeting

Re UK Tuners / Remappers & Tuning Box Sellers & putting the VW TDI's on a Dyno.

ABT-Sportsline, Superchips, SHARK, REVO, APR, ECO-TUNE etc.

 

If your Front wheel drive Diesel VW Engine car with the 'Defeat Device' as part of the ECU was on the Dynamic Dyno,

would the 'Smog Test' Mode not operate because the car had not been put into 'Test Mode' via the OBD Port as happens in the US when on the rolling road rig.

Funny how this has rather become a slag diesels off for being unclean thread as is often the case.

Petrol, diesel, electric it doesnt matter whatever you use you are damaging the environment. Whilst diesels emit more NO and particle matter, petrols produce lots of CO (toxic) on warm up and pump out carcinogenic hydrocarbons by the bucket load....its a pointless argument. Until we find a true zero emissions means of running a vehicle we are all in some way killing eachother so is a pointless argument.

As to the VW saga......well as others have suggested I suspect there will be further investigations and VAG will be just the tip of the iceberg.....there will be other Euro players kacking themselves now no doubt (likes of BM, Merc I've no doubt).....its probably rife in the industry and its just them who have been caught out first and are being made an example of.....bit like the phone hacking scandal.

The NO requirement in US is absurdly low.....I expect the 2.0 TDI would have required significant redevelopment (and also probably been a piece of **** to drive) to make it fully compliant...they did what they did and are paying for it however.

I suppose at least they were up until then worth $66bn and can survive it.

I think its unlikely it will affect any newer cars in Europe but will just have to see how things progress.

Petrol, diesel, electric it doesnt matter whatever you use you are damaging the environment. Whilst diesels emit more NO and particle matter, petrols produce lots of CO (toxic) on warm up and pump out carcinogenic hydrocarbons by the bucket load....its a pointless argument. Until we find a true zero emissions means of running a vehicle we are all in some way killing eachother so is a pointless argument.

The NO requirement in US is absurdly low.....I expect the 2.0 TDI would have required significant redevelopment (and also probably been a piece of **** to drive) to make it fully compliant...they did what they did and are paying for it however.

Yes, they are dirty as are petrols, which is why they are being forced to make them as least harmful as they can. That's the whole issue here. We don't have access to magic at the moment, so that is why we have to make the best with what we can.

Seems to be a lot of people getting their nickers in a twist over this…   As noted above the rules were made and VW (and probably many other manufacturers) found a loophole and exploited it – that’s how life works – given a set of rules everybody will try and ‘bend’ them if they can.

 

Some holier than thou people will get ‘angry’ and worked up over it but I’d bet 100% of them were happy in their ignorance and happy with their VW before this was made public…    After all there is a lot more to the ownership and use of a car than it’s emissions, and if those people who are getting worked up were REALLY concerned over the emissions and the environment then they wouldn’t own a car and would rely on Shank’s pony or public transport.

 

Oh – just remembered – the latter are generally diesel powered – whoops!

 

As for compensation etc. as is being asked for by some owners – what for? – what ‘damage’ has been inflicted to the owners to warrant compensation?  At present none and, most likely none in the future as it is very unlikely that VED or other costs will be incurred retrospectively and the likes of MPG is unlikely to be affected by any retro-fit of SCR systems, leaving just the minimla cost of Ad-blue that can easily be recovered through changes in driving style.

 

Sorry but I just don’t understand what all the fuss is about..   other than the issue of increased emissions that, as others have suggested, pale into insignificance when compared to those from other sources.

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If only I needed an excuse to stay with my clean petrol engine car. :clap:

News today says petrol models also affected

skomaz: as I see it, the biggest issue is loss of trust and credibility that VW have brought on themselves.

There's a big difference between bending rules, and thoroughly breaking them and covering that up, and then being caught out in this.

Seems to be a lot of people getting their nickers in a twist over this…   As noted above the rules were made and VW (and probably many other manufacturers) found a loophole and exploited it – that’s how life works – given a set of rules everybody will try and ‘bend’ them if they can.

 

Some holier than thou people will get ‘angry’ and worked up over it but I’d bet 100% of them were happy in their ignorance and happy with their VW before this was made public…    After all there is a lot more to the ownership and use of a car than it’s emissions, and if those people who are getting worked up were REALLY concerned over the emissions and the environment then they wouldn’t own a car and would rely on Shank’s pony or public transport.

 

Oh – just remembered – the latter are generally diesel powered – whoops!

 

As for compensation etc. as is being asked for by some owners – what for? – what ‘damage’ has been inflicted to the owners to warrant compensation?  At present none and, most likely none in the future as it is very unlikely that VED or other costs will be incurred retrospectively and the likes of MPG is unlikely to be affected by any retro-fit of SCR systems, leaving just the minimla cost of Ad-blue that can easily be recovered through changes in driving style.

 

Sorry but I just don’t understand what all the fuss is about..   other than the issue of increased emissions that, as others have suggested, pale into insignificance when compared to those from other sources.

Agree 100% well said

Seems to be a lot of people getting their nickers in a twist over this…   As noted above the rules were made and VW (and probably many other manufacturers) found a loophole and exploited it – that’s how life works – given a set of rules everybody will try and ‘bend’ them if they can.

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Sorry but I just don’t understand what all the fuss is about..   other than the issue of increased emissions that, as others have suggested, pale into insignificance when compared to those from other sources.

Nearly 9,500 people die early each year in London due to long-term exposure to air pollution, more than twice as many as previously thought, according to new research.  The premature deaths are due to two key pollutants, fine particulates known as PM2.5s and the toxic gas nitrogen dioxide (NO2), according to a study carried out by researchers at King’s College London. (LINK)

 

You don't live in London and I suspect that you care so little for the lives of others that the needless deaths of 9,500 people a year isn't something that you can get too fussed about?

 

It appears however that Volkswagen and Investors are getting their knickers in a twist over this and I suspect that they have more a whole lot more inside knowledge and personal interest than you do.

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