Hi,

 

I have the 1.4TSI with 30k kms oil change interval (which I think is nonsense). Have 15k kms on the clock since the last dealer service, and I was thinking about getting the oil changed.  Called a VW specialist garage nearby (the nearest 'official' dealership is somewhat of a distance away), and the guy said at 'mid-interval' they usually change the oil only but not the filter.

Does this make sense ? In the old days I've learned an oil change is worthless w/o the new filter. This engine has the 'regular' disposable filter, not the one where you only change the insert inside the filter housing.

 

thanks,

T.

 

Changing the filter without changing the oil makes sense when you have an engine with a filter up top.

If spending on changing oil for the little expense get a new filter in. IMO.

 

Modern Oils are better than the filters often, especially VW-Audi OEM filters.

 

Maybe look at stopping using Long Life Oil to the VW Spec (5w 30 Full Synthetic Long LIfe lll to VW 504 00)

and use the oil to the correct spec for Fixed Servicing and change Oil & Filter every 16,000 km or so.

(5w 40 Full Synthetic to VW 502 00)

The 1.4 TSI will be better in the long run on this than the crap 'Castrol / Quantum' Long life oil'.

Edited 4 September, 20169 yr by GoneOffSKi

It is false economy not to change the filter - they do not cost much or take long to change

It is false economy not to change the filter - they do not cost much or take long to change

+1

It's best practice to replace the oil filter when changing oil. Irregadless of what VAG service desk 'experts' say.

It is false economy not to change the filter - they do not cost much or take long to change

+2 

 

Gaz

Remind me not to have my car serviced in Hungary.

 

Not changing the filter when changing the oil is plain daft.

For the cost involved it doesn't make much sense, BUT there is still benefit from changing oil without filter rather than nothing at all. I simply couldn't find the filter in my diesel VRS so just changed oil instead :-) ( between official change intervals)

On the 1.4tsi the filter is about a foot away from the sump plug...

Interestingly, this was a thought that would have never passed my head, but for the new 2.0TDI it may do.

The 18.5k mile service interval is a bit long for my liking and usually I'd change the oil and filter on the mk2 at around 9-10k miles.

With the MK3, the filter it under the car and behind the engine guard (Plastic jobby).

As such I was thinking is it worth pella pumping the oil out at 10k miles, then getting the proper drain and change done at 18.5k miles.

Far from ideal, but a case of is it significantly better than just leaving the oil in the car for 18.5k.

The oil has been developed to last the mileage so there shouldn't be any issues.

In my opinion if the jobs being done it should at least be done correctly, you're going to end up with clean oil passing through a soiled filter which will decrease the cleanliness of the new oil prematurely anyway.

Pela pumps or similar are only fit for the bin. Get the plug out, most of the time on newer cars its prohibited to suck the oil out as it leaves too much of the old oil in the engine.

Sorry, but I disagree on the pela comment. Yes you should certainly drain at the 18.5k interval, but frankly an intermediate change it's makes it easy to do at home.

I'm interested in your comment about not getting enough oil out, as I would regularly get the same/slightly more oil out using the pela pump vs a sump drain on the MK2 TDI.

This was even more so when you also sucked the oil out of the oil cooler under the filter housing.

I do agree if a jobs worth doing it's worth doing properly and I also wish I could easily change the filter at the same time.

Yes the oil will soil earlier than usual, it's just a case of for £30 of oil, it's not a big deal compared to doing nothing.

The ideal situation would be a flap in the undertray, so you could easily get to the sump drain and the filter. This would also help come minor service time too.

On certain engines there are recesses in the sump that a suction oil removal device cannot reach and the only way these can be drained correctly is to remove the plug.

It's detailed in the repair instructions and is often on the service sheet stating that a suction method should not be used.

I can understand why people wish to do this but it's just not for me, or the manufacturer it would seem.

Every service I do on my own cars involves the removal of the plug, usually run a couple of litres through with the plug out then a new filter, I do them every 6 months. I do have the advantage of having a full workshop and cost price parts though.

Edited 5 September, 20169 yr by James@RRGRochdale

Are you sure they're just not referring to not changing the air filter element?

On certain engines there are recesses in the sump that a suction oil removal device cannot reach and the only way these can be drained correctly is to remove the plug.

It's detailed in the repair instructions and is often on the service sheet stating that a suction method should not be used.

I can understand why people wish to do this but it's just not for me, or the manufacturer it would seem.

Every service I do on my own cars involves the removal of the plug, usually run a couple of litres through with the plug out then a new filter, I do them every 6 months. I do have the advantage of having a full workshop and cost price parts though.

If I had a workshop to hand and mainly a lift, I'd be right with you there.

And yes some sumps have a baffle that stops you getting it all.

It sounds like the BKD in the MK2 wasn't one of these, and frankly if I'd been sucking up 3L not 4L+ from the car then I'd be concerned.

Either way, I don't have ramps etc at the moment, so for now it'll be a pela oil lift or nothing until service time.

I definitely got more oil out of the Superb with a Pela than I did via the sump plug.  Checked the first time I did it and nothing came out of the sump plughole after extraction, which quite impressed me.  Not for everyone though, and I understand why.

 

Gaz

We bought one at the seat dealer I used to work at and sure enough it would do the job until we noticed that on some service sheets it said something along the lines of "remove oil via drain plug - DO NOT EXTRACT" so we removed the plug on a couple of BMN engines and early CEGA engines and a litre or so would slowly but surely dribble out, most of us stopped using it.

It also became a customer concern on a few occasions where they would state that they were paying to have the oil drained out (not sucked) with a new sump plug.

It worked wonders on cleaning out the filter housing.

So for a minor service skoda don't chanel the filter? I ask as my car is due it's first service and having serviced all my previous cars I am unhappy if this is not done, 149 quid seems a rip off for 4 litres of oil.

A Skoda main dealer (here in the UK) will always change the oil filter when changing the oil.

 

The OP is based in Hungary.

The shortest answer is "no"

For a minor

 

So for a minor service skoda don't chanel the filter? I ask as my car is due it's first service and having serviced all my previous cars I am unhappy if this is not done, 149 quid seems a rip off for 4 litres of oil.

I believe that the minor service includes just an oil topup. Filter will not be changed.

In the uk the first service includes an oil change.

Edited 7 September, 20169 yr by James@RRGRochdale

All minor and major services include oil and an oil filter.

 

Skoda now unnecessarily complicate things with their invention of an 'inspection' service, which as it sounds is just that, an inspection. Most dealers I've dealt with will charge you for a 1 litre top-up bottle of oil and leave the remainder of it in the boot.

 

A cynical ploy to get you into the dealer? No, can't be.

Changing the filter without changing the oil makes sense when you have an engine with a filter up top.

If spending on changing oil for the little expense get a new filter in. IMO.

 

Modern Oils are better than the filters often, especially VW-Audi OEM filters.

 

Maybe look at stopping using Long Life Oil to the VW Spec (5w 30 Full Synthetic Long LIfe lll to VW 504 00)

and use the oil to the correct spec for Fixed Servicing and change Oil & Filter every 16,000 km or so.

(5w 40 Full Synthetic to VW 502 00)

The 1.4 TSI will be better in the long run on this than the crap 'Castrol / Quantum' Long life oil'.

Can't speak for current Castrol oils and do not know who currently blends the Quantum range, but do know that some years ago, Quantum oils were top notch...as good as the best. Do you know who produces them, or do you have good reason to dislike them?  Genuinely inyerested.

Some engines from VW using Castrol or Quantum are just not very good with it in.   VW will never admit that, why should they.

Anecdotal but shown often enough buy improvements in longevity, lower oil temps etc when changed for other oils which may not be VW Group Recommended but still within spec.

ie 1.4 TSI / TFSI 132-136 kW can benefit from not using Castrol / Quantum in 5w 30 FS LL3, or 5w 40 FS.

Also they can benefit from not using VW  / Audi OEM Oil Filters.

 

But then anyone can check that out their self.

VW Group fit and recommend many things because of vested interests, and then if there are issues you never here them blame consumables.

Spark Plugs they use OEM, Tyres, Filters or anything else.

eg Cars pull left the blame Dunlop / Continental and for Pirelli then still fit Dunlop / Continental as OEM.

They never put in writting that other manufacturers are producing crap and they use it. 

Sometimes it is VW's Products that are actually faulty,  like engines, sometimes Variable Servicing does not suit some engines, 

as Owners of All New 3rd Generation Fabia 2014 on are finding out.

Edited 7 September, 20169 yr by GoneOffSKi