Does the Sportline have stiffer suspension?

[MartiniB]

@MarkyG82

 

on 2.0 TDI FWD Hatch Romans-cc has installed

Eibach ProKit E10-79-012-04-22 (for AWD Hatch)

which contains these springs -

front F11-85-042-03-FA

rear F11-79-008-01-HA

https://www.drive2.ru/l/573382395697299820/

 

while Eibach ProKit E10-85-042-03-22 (for FWD Hatch)

contains -

front F11-85-042-03-FA

rear F11-15-007-04-HA

[MarkyG82]

13 minutes ago, MartiniB said:

@MarkyG82

 

on 2.0 TDI FWD Hatch Romans-cc has installed

Eibach ProKit E10-79-012-04-22 (for AWD Hatch)

which contains these springs -

front F11-85-042-03-FA (listed for superb iV estate and passat GTE estate)

rear F11-79-008-01-HA (listed for superb iV estate but not passat GTE)

https://www.drive2.ru/l/573382395697299820/

 

while Eibach ProKit E10-85-042-03-22 (for FWD Hatch)

contains -

front F11-85-042-03-FA (same as front spring above)

rear F11-15-007-04-HA (listed for superb iV hatch but not passat GTE)

 

See my comments above.  Considering the similarities between the models, can anyone comment on why they are listed for one and not the other?  Can anyone also comment on any issues that would arise if I fitted the superb specified springs to my passat.  

Further confusion arises when you look up the kit number on the eibach website.  The individual springs are listed for cars that are not on the lists for the kits.  confusion!!!

 

Finally, assuming the cross compatibility with the eibach springs, could I fit superb sportline springs to my passat and does anyone have any going spare after fitting lowering springs to their sportline estate 280/272?

[ilivili]

On 17/08/2021 at 21:43, Carlston said:

 

What OEM part numbers do your current front and rear springs have?

 

I lifted up the car yesterday and checked what springs it has as standard.

 

Current configuration is
Front 5Q0411105GK    PR-L05 - Spring area 05 only built-in control, no demand forecast
Length 315
Wire Diameter 12

 

Rear 3Q0511115AK PR-1JA + 0YC - 0YC = weight range 3 only built-in control, no demand forecast, 1JA = rear cushioning, base 1
Length 364
Wire Diameter 12,25

 

Based on this information the Sportline counterparts are

 

Front 5Q0411105HB PR-L15 - Spring area 15 only built-in control, no demand forecast
Length 288
Wire Diameter 11,75

 

Rear 3Q0511115AA PR-1JC+0YC - 0YC = weight range 3 only built-in control, no demand forecast, 1JC = rear damping, sport version
Length ??
Wire Diameter ??

 

I was not able to find specs for the rear springs. @Carlston or someone else do you know more about them? 

 

Also I couldn't find aftermarket versions of the rear Sportline springs. My local dealership wants 390€ for the set (front and rear) which is more than H&R and Eibach sets.

[ilivili]

21 hours ago, MartiniB said:

for rear axle on 2.0 FWD can be installed springs from 2.0 AWD kit

result is perfect:

					mm.Lowering
Eibach part code	Outlet	Wire	Length	Coils	AWD	FWD
11-15-007-04-HA	116.0	13.50	303	8,00	-50	-30
11-79-008-01-HA	122.0	13.75	327	8,20	-30	-5

Nice summary @MartiniB, thank you!

Just to mix up things...I took a look at the Eibach online catalog to see what options it suggests for the estate with different engine options.

For the rear it is always F11-79-008-01-HA. It does not matter if it's FWD or AWD, from 1.4 petrol 2.0 diesel engines. Maybe an issue with the online catalog 

[MartiniB]

@ilivili

weight of engine doesn't change weight of rear axle,

but yes, different web pages contains different info :(

what i have collected, mostly focused on 2.0 -

 

Eibach ProKit -35/30mm
E10-85-042-01-22 (985kg / 1220kg), Superb 3V3 Hatchback 1.4 TSi
E10-85-042-02-22 (1100kg / 1220kg), Superb 3V3 Hatchback 2.0 TSi 2.0 TDi
E10-85-042-03-22 (1180kg / 1220kg), Superb 3V3 Hatchback AWD 2.0 TSi 2.0 TDi
E10-85-041-04-22 (1070kg / 1220kg), Superb 3V3 Hatchback 1.6 TDi 2.0 TDi 1.8 TSi 2.0 TSi
 
E10-79-012-01-22 (985kg / 1250kg), SUPERB Kombi 3V5 1.4TSi
E10-79-012-02-22 (????kg / 1250kg), SUPERB Kombi 3V5 1.6 TDi 2.0 TDi 1.8 TSi 2.0 TSi
E10-79-012-03-22 (????kg / 1250kg), SUPERB Kombi 3V5 2.0 TSi 2.0 TDi
E10-79-012-04-22 (????kg / 1250kg), SUPERB Kombi 3V5 AWD 2.0 TSi 2.0 TDi

# Eibach.de full sets
2.0 TSI
FWD Hatch	E10-85-041-04-22 (1075/1250kg) Multibear suspension
FWD Hatch	E10-85-042-02-22 (1120/1250kg)
FWD Kombi	E10-79-012-02-22 (1075/1253kg) Multibear suspension
FWD Kombi	E10-79-012-03-22 (1120/1253kg) Multibear suspension
FWD Kombi	E10-79-012-04-22 (1200/1253kg) Multibear suspension
AWD Hatch	E10-79-012-04-22 (1200/1253kg) Multibear suspension
AWD Kombi	E10-79-012-04-22 (1120/1250kg) Multibear suspension

# Eibach.de single axle
2.0 TSI		front			rear
FWD Hatch	F11-15-021-02-VA	F11-15-007-04-HA
		F11-85-041-01-VA
FWD Kombi	F11-85-041-01-VA	F11-15-021-02-VA
		F11-85-042-03-FA	F11-79-008-01-HA
AWD Hatch	F11-85-042-03-FA	F11-79-008-01-HA
AWD Kombi	F11-85-042-03-FA	F11-79-008-01-HA

#
# Set / Kit		# Front		 mm	# Rear		 mm.AWD	mm.FWD
#
E10-85-042-02-22 =	F11-85-041-01-VA -40	F11-15-007-04-HA -45	-25
E10-85-042-03-22 =	F11-85-042-03-FA -35	F11-15-007-04-HA -45	-25
E10-85-042-04-22 =	F11-85-042-03-FA -35	F11-85-016-10-HA
E10-79-012-03-22 =	F11-85-041-01-VA -40	F11-79-008-01-HA -30	 -5
E10-79-012-04-22 =	F11-85-042-03-FA -30	F11-79-008-01-HA -30	 -5
E10-15-007-04-22 =	F11-15-007-04-VA	F11-15-007-04-HA

# Arteon
E10-85-044-02-22 =	F11-85-042-03-FA	F11-79-008-01-HA

 

[Carlston]

9 hours ago, ilivili said:

Current configuration is
Front 5Q0411105GK    PR-L05 - Spring area 05 only built-in control, no demand forecast
Length 315
Wire Diameter 12

 

Rear 3Q0511115AK PR-1JA + 0YC - 0YC = weight range 3 only built-in control, no demand forecast, 1JA = rear cushioning, base 1
Length 364
Wire Diameter 12,25

 

Based on this information the Sportline counterparts are

 

Front 5Q0411105HB PR-L15 - Spring area 15 only built-in control, no demand forecast
Length 288
Wire Diameter 11,75

 

Rear 3Q0511115AA PR-1JC+0YC - 0YC = weight range 3 only built-in control, no demand forecast, 1JC = rear damping, sport version
Length ??
Wire Diameter ??

 

I wouldn't call 5Q0411105HB the Sportline counterpart of 5Q0511105GK.

 

5Q0511105HB has a narrower wire diameter than 5Q0411105GK and a similar number of coil turns, so would appear to be a softer spring. Losing 27mm in length requires a stiffer spring not a softer spring.

 

I can't find any aftermarket springs for 3Q0511115AA. This is often the case for sports springs, as most of the sales for aftermarket springs will be for standard ride height springs.

[ilivili]

On 19/08/2021 at 20:43, Carlston said:

 

I wouldn't call 5Q0411105HB the Sportline counterpart of 5Q0511105GK.

 

5Q0511105HB has a narrower wire diameter than 5Q0411105GK and a similar number of coil turns, so would appear to be a softer spring. Losing 27mm in length requires a stiffer spring not a softer spring.

 

I can't find any aftermarket springs for 3Q0511115AA. This is often the case for sports springs, as most of the sales for aftermarket springs will be for standard ride height springs.

Narrower diameter is odd.

 

I went to see my local Skoda dealership late last week. We checked from one MY2018 Superb Combi 1.4 TSI Sportline what spring configuration it has. Results were 5Q0411105HB on front and 3Q0511115AA on rear.

 

Could someone with Sportline trim check what oem springs (part numbers) they have? This would help to verify what springs to get.

[jim_d]

On 17/08/2021 at 14:45, ilivili said:

Hi,
we just got a MY2018 Superb Estate 1,4 TSI with DSG and Style trim package - no DCC. Driving characteristics are little bit disappointing. I'm planning to address this issue by replacing the current standard shocks with Koni Special Active or with Bilstein B6 and springs with the ones from the Sportline trim. Changing standard springs to Sportline might be related more to appearance than to ride feel

 

Although I have read many topics here on the forum and searched the web, I've not found the part codes for the Sportline springs (front and rear). 
Does anyone have the part number information for the Sportline springs?

 

hi - not related to suspension, do you not find the 1400cc engine underpowered for the Superb? i used to have a 1.6 passat and it was really underpowered. but maybe this is a better engine?

[ilivili]

50 minutes ago, jim_d said:

hi - not related to suspension, do you not find the 1400cc engine underpowered for the Superb? i used to have a 1.6 passat and it was really underpowered. but maybe this is a better engine?

Hi @jim_d, they say you can never have too much power

To answer you question, our Superb is a daily driver for my wife and our kids. Mostly driven short distances on the city. In this use 1.4 is sufficient, but if we would use it regularly for longer distances I would look for something with more power.

[MarkyG82]

On 18/08/2021 at 13:52, MarkyG82 said:

does anyone have any going spare after fitting lowering springs to their sportline estate 280/272?

 

Anyone?  There were quite a few members fitting H&R or Eibach kits in the last year or so.  Did the leftovers all get sold on already?

[Gabrielem]

On 18/8/2021 at 14:29, MartiniB said:

@ MarkyG82

 

en 2.0 TDI FWD Hatch  Romans-cc ha instalado

Eibach ProKit E10-79-012-04-22 (para escotilla AWD)

que contiene estos resortes -

frente F11-85-042-03-FA

trasero F11-79-008-01-HA

https://www.drive2.ru/l/573382395697299820/

 

mientras que Eibach ProKit E10-85-042-03-22 (para FWD Hatch)

contiene -

frente F11-85-042-03-FA

trasero F11-15-007-04-HA

Can Eibach springs be fitted with PPD shock absorbers?  My car came with the bad roads suspension  and you know how uncomfortable it is, especially on Spanish roads.  Do you know the reference for a MK3 2016 190cv TDI 4x4 Kombi?  Thank you very much in advance.I have seen the references in the post. sorry. Would it be necessary to put the rubber pads of the Audi TT on the rear springs?

Edited 8 September, 2021 by Gabrielem

[Bigeater]

The Eibach shop advertises E10 79 012 04 22 as lowering springs. Is this because it lowers all models that aren't sportline?

I want to stiffen my 280 sportline combi without lowering it, so am i looking at the right springs? Thanks

[MartiniB]

2 hours ago, Bigeater said:

I want to stiffen my 280 sportline combi without lowering it

 

on front axle Eibach Pro springs from Audi Q2 will give perfect stiffness with zero lowering.

 

for rear axle you have to find some stronger alternative as i found for my 220ps FWD hatch,

i installed Eibach Pro springs from AWD Superb and got perfect stiffness with just 12mm lowering

part codes and pictures ->

https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/485647-bilstein-b6-dcc-shock-absorbers-available-at-last/?do=findComment&comment=5676626

 

please share your opinion, what you found for rear axle,

my next, already ordered, will be 280ps AWD

 

[JR RS]

13 hours ago, Bigeater said:

The Eibach shop advertises E10 79 012 04 22 as lowering springs. Is this because it lowers all models that aren't sportline?

 

The Superb has 4 flavours when it comes to suspension setup

1. Standard setup. Standard shocks + standard springs

2. Sportline setup. Standard shocks + sport springs

3. Adaptive setup. DCC shocks + springs.

4. Sportline Adaptive setup. DCC shocks + sport springs

 

The DCC shocks r 15mm lower than standard.

The Sportline Setup is also 15mm lower.

It's is still unclear how much lower the Sportline Adaptive setup is from Standard.

Edited 16 July, 2022 by JR RS

[Legion]

1 hour ago, JR RS said:

It's is still unclear how much lower the Sportline Adaptive setup is from Standard.

 

I measured my car against yours in another thread. The distance from the road to wheel arch was the same at the front.

 

So a Sportsline with selectable dampening is the same ride height as your car with the lower springs.

 

 

 

[JR RS]

1 hour ago, Legion said:

 

I measured my car against yours in another thread. The distance from the road to wheel arch was the same at the front.

 

So a Sportsline with selectable dampening is the same ride height as your car with the lower springs.

 

 

Strange.

Ur Sportline is stock height, at 670mm?

And ur running the factory 19" Vega wheels?

 

I know of others with Sportline, DCC and 19" Vega, who have measured 690mm, which is wat mine was also, before being lowered.

[MartiniB]

1 hour ago, Legion said:

The distance from the road to wheel arch

why not measure from the center of wheel?

that cancels diff which comes from disc and tire sizes

[Legion]

1 hour ago, JR RS said:

I know of others with Sportline, DCC and 19" Vega, who have measured 690mm, which is wat mine was also, before being lowered.

No it's 690. I thought your lowered was 690mm as I understand the sports line is lower than standard.

 

https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/501710-maximum-spacer-size-for-206-4x4-that-does-not-foul-guards/?tab=comments#comment-5632666

[Legion]

And for what it's worth, in relation to the original question, ride height has nothing to do with spring stiffness.

 

A spring can give a lower ride height and be softer.

 

Which is why the tuning market is BS. The never specify stiffness. They do come in a variety of colours.

Edited 16 July, 2022 by Legion

[JR RS]

2 hours ago, MartiniB said:

why not measure from the center of wheel?

that cancels diff which comes from disc and tire sizes

 

It's the factory 19s, with the same specs, and tyres - so we're comparing apples with apples.

 

 

25 minutes ago, Legion said:

No it's 690. I thought your lowered was 690mm as I understand the sports line is lower than standard.

 

Thought so.  Mine is sitting at 668mm now, after being lowered.

 

No, the Sportline with DCC and a non-Sportline with DCC, like mine, is the same height, i.e. 690mm, from factory, with the 19s.

Anything DCC is lower than Standard.

Likewise, Sportline without DCC is also lower than Standard.

 

Standard means no adaptive (DCC) suspension.

[MartiniB]

2 hours ago, JR RS said:

so we're comparing apples with apples

for particular two cars maybe, if tires are same size and similar mileage, but how about other BS members?

yours aren't worse case, have seen also that useless measures as arch to the disc side

 

[JR RS]

1 hour ago, MartiniB said:

for particular two cars maybe, if tires are same size and similar mileage, but how about other BS members?

yours aren't worse case, have seen also that useless measures as arch to the disc side

 

 

It applies to other briskoda members who still have factory 19s.

Most of the Superb Sportlines come with the same spec 19" wheels.  Doesn't matter if they're the Vega or Supernova or Trinity version - they all have the same width, same offset, wearing the same tyre profile (235/40/19).

[Bigeater]

To add to the confusion, my front springs have a yellow and brown sticker on them. There’s no other markings on them. I wAs hoping for a part number stamped on them, but no, nothing. The rear springs have no markings on them whatsoever. ****ed off is an understatement.

[Carlston]

14 hours ago, Bigeater said:

To add to the confusion, my front springs have a yellow and brown sticker on them. There’s no other markings on them. I was hoping for a part number stamped on them, but no, nothing. The rear springs have no markings on them whatsoever.

 

Front spring with 1 brown dot and 1 yellow dot 5Q0411105HE (build code L18)

1

5Q0411105HE

Coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark

brown yellow

2

PR-L18

https://www.lllparts.co.uk/catalogs/skoda/CZ/SUP/851/4/411/411000

 

5Q0411105HE is also listed as an Octavia MK3 front spring (same L18 build code and same colour coding)

(1)

5Q0 411 105 HE

coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark

brown yellow

2

PR-L18

https://skoda.7zap.com/en/cz/octavia/oct/2016-753/4/411-411030/#1

 

5Q0411105HE springs on autodoc

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/oem/5q0411105he?search=OEN+5Q0411105HE&supplier[0]=10708&supplier[1]=32&supplier[2]=85&supplier[3]=112&supplier[4]=10708&supplier[5]=32&supplier[6]=85&supplier[7]=112

 

Edited 17 July, 2022 by Carlston

[QubiDK]

Hi guys

 

I want to change shock absorbers and springs on mine. I passed 6 years of age and 280.xxxkm and still have the originals on as I know (I got the car when it was 3 years old).

 

I will install Koni Actives.

 

I asked some others if the original springs needed to be changed or not? (No damages or corrosion) but I guess I will anyway...

 

I checked autodoc, eibach homepage and tried to search but as I can see almost all the pro kits will lower the car, I would like to avoid that... Anyone who is already went through the process and could helpe out to chose the right ones? No DCC in mine...

 

Thanks in advance