Breaking VW Emissions Scandal -Mk I

[Sad555]

It seems quite obvious that Skoda, part of the VAG group use the same engines as all others in the group except possibly porche,the only difference MIGHT be the software,but I doubt it.

[Ootohere]

"not aware"   is good, but means they 'are not aware',  

when they say 'they know there are not any defeat devices',  then that will be that.

 

Just yesterday the VW CEO now the Ex CEO was not aware either.  He said, and the other board members confirmed that.

 

PS

the linked article in post #575 says

 Skoda and Seat brands were unable to comment on the presence of 'defeat devices.'

 

Unable to comment is not unaware, they might be very aware, but just 'unable to comment'.

[JungleJames]

Mainly drive the Dacia Logan.  Emissions.  NO 10 mg/km, CO 672 mg/km, CO2 116 g/km.

 

Let compared it to the Mk3 wiesel VRS (make sure you put the emission test pipe up the real exhaust pipe and not the fake on RHS)

 

Mk3 Octy diesel VRS  NO 135 mg/km, CO 260 mg/Km, CO2 119 g/km

 

(VCA data)

 

Thirteen times the NO (which is the constituent of most concern currently)      

 

Hmmmm., 

Its only the constituent of most concern if you are steadfast on bashing diesels, and love dirty petrols. You also keep forgetting how petrols have already had their NO emissions reduced, and it is now the turn of diesels. You are so keen to slag off diesels, that you have clearly picked a lesser powered petrol to compare against a higher powered diesel (shown by the reduced CO2 rating of the petrol, which would never happen if both were similarly powered.

 

To those of us that have no axe to grind either way, we realise that both fuels are dirty in their own ways, but diesels will burn less of our oil. Its also quite striking, that despite having a Cat to reduce CO emissions, the petrol is still filling the atmosphere with the extremely poisonous gas. But of course, none of that matters, because its a petrol, and the only figures that matter are figures which can be used to slag off diesels.

[silver1011]

Just spoke to my dealer, not a problem for Skoda cars.

The dealers don't know anymore than we do so I'd take that with a pinch of salt.

[MoggyTech]

MoggyTech, 

So was that the Dealer Principal, Service Manager, Master Tech or a sales Executive that you spoke to or

'Your Dealer' that you get something else from ?

 

Is this some information put out to UK Skoda Dealers from Skoda UK / CZ or Volkswagen.?

 

It is a shame the Press Releases are not out yet to tell everyone that Skoda Diesels are not part of the Scandal.

At present I'm not prepared to disclose specific dealer details, suffice to say, I asked a source I trust at a certain dealer (I know the guy personally). They had received communication from Skoda CZ stating Skoda cars should not be effected, obviously that is not a 100% cast iron we are OK. He added that 'if' any cars were effected, they would look after the customer as a main priority.

 

When all this calms down, it will be nothing more than an expensive (for VW) storm in a tea cup. Diesel sales will suffer in the short term, with the slight possibility diesel cars will be phased out, at this moment, it's too early to say.

 

Anyway, it's all Gordon Browns fault   

[Tim1631]

After 20 pages of people posting of what they think. Are we any closer on finding out which cars are affected in the US and what cars are affected here in the UK.

Does someone please know (Not think) which egines/cars are affected etc?

[Ootohere]

MoggyTech,

So now that is what was said was it, 'should not be effected',   & 'if they are effected'.    

 

 All very reassuring to anyone that wants to listen to your mate.   

Or to what he says Skoda says, who can not say 'Are not effected'.

 

Skoda dealerships should always give priority to people that have already bought Skodas then had issues,

then those yet to buy might be inclined to listen to some of the guff many the Sales Executives spout.

[Aspman]

Bbc just announced uk government to launch investigation into the problem

 

[The Gov] Quick, FFS do something; anything, just do it loudly!

 

 

My conclusion, most of the changes for good have resulted from governments being more concerned with the reducing income from more efficient engines than any altruistic "green" initiatives. 

How long before the subsidies on Zero Emission cars is removed?  Once they've got rid of ALL the IC engined vehicals?

 

Rant over, I'll go and have my nap now so any flamers will have to wait 'til I wake up again. 

 

Fred

 

 

Don't worry the Government will find a way to relieve of your burdensom money even if you run a true zero emission car.

[Rustynuts]

Just caught up on this thread after 27 hours (more or less). And there's nothing new to be reported. still the same points going over and over again and again by the same people.

I'll check back again tomorrow and see if there's anything "new" to be considered.

 

Or maybe not.

[Breezy_Pete]

3 more top execs due to go tomorrow according to some German source, reported in Autocar.

[MattHunt]

And on a lighter note...

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[spinna]

After 20 pages of people posting of what they think. Are we any closer on finding out which cars are affected in the US and what cars are affected here in the UK.

Does someone please know (Not think) which egines/cars are affected etc?

From all I have read this week I would say EA189 derivatives Euro 5 :1.6 and 2.0 Common Rail are affected. I have a CAYC (105).

[vxh26]

<SNIP> Skoda cars should not be effected <SNIP> 

AFFECTED for Christ's sake!

[flamazine]

I can't wait for the TV adverts to start. "Are you the owner of one of the following cars if so you can claim £1000's in compensation"

And you know what I'll claim. After being fobbed off with a dodgy oil guzzling Fabia vrs and being told they do use a lot of oil I'm going after all I can get regarding my soulless 1.6tdi. And they said I'd get 45 mpg out of the Fabia .LoL.The greedy bleeders deserve all that's coming to them. Bring it on.

[spinna]

I can't wait for the TV adverts to start. "Are you the owner of one of the following cars if so you can claim £1000's in compensation"

And you know what I'll claim. After being fobbed off with a dodgy oil guzzling Fabia vrs and being told they do use a lot of oil I'm going after all I can get regarding my soulless 1.6tdi. And they said I'd get 45 mpg out of the Fabia .LoL.The greedy bleeders deserve all that's coming to them. Bring it on.

Wait till the automated mobile and home phone voice messages start............................ fml

[Chriswright03]

Just caught up on this thread after 27 hours (more or less). And there's nothing new to be reported. still the same points going over and over again and again by the same people.

I'll check back again tomorrow and see if there's anything "new" to be considered.

 

Or maybe not.

By then there will be another 5 threads started by people who haven't bothered to check to see if it has been discussed already or they will have started a different thread with a 'very slightly' different slant on it.

 

Got to feel sorry for the poor Germans.  PS don't mention the war. :no:

[Shifty]

I've read some of the posts in this thead with something along the lines of amazement. All I can contribute, if it is even a contribution, is this forum has changed quite a lot since I was more active. Mind you, so has society. I'm certain though that this affects Volkswagens (or effects if you prefer ) in the US of A. Why there is 20 pages of arguments and speculation about Skoda in the UK is anybody's business.

[gadgetman]

So the government are looking at retesting affected diesel & as details emerging that petrol also affected, those models too.

Spokesman on the news earlier couldn't rule out VED rebanding if the emissions are found to have been falsified.

There's also a flurry of press releases from a number of brands, most notably German ones

[silver1011]

It always makes me chuckle when those that complain about the theme, direction or content of a thread always seem to come back and post, again and again.

[lol-lol]

Its only the constituent of most concern if you are steadfast on bashing diesels, and love dirty petrols. You also keep forgetting how petrols have already had their NO emissions reduced, and it is now the turn of diesels. You are so keen to slag off diesels, that you have clearly picked a lesser powered petrol to compare against a higher powered diesel (shown by the reduced CO2 rating of the petrol, which would never happen if both were similarly powered.

 

To those of us that have no axe to grind either way, we realise that both fuels are dirty in their own ways, but diesels will burn less of our oil. Its also quite striking, that despite having a Cat to reduce CO emissions, the petrol is still filling the atmosphere with the extremely poisonous gas. But of course, none of that matters, because its a petrol, and the only figures that matter are figures which can be used to slag off diesels.

 

If you had bothered to read, and perhaps understood, I have a big (well 2.5 litire) petrol, Jaguar type S, as well, NO is 80 mg/km I gather, CO2 a rather stiff 249 g/km, not sure on the CO but the PM2.5s and PM10 I think should be quite low as they  tend to be with petrols and it.  Too me it is the smoke ie the PMs that are the dirty element, NO tend to be brown where as CO and CO2, if I remember my chemistry, is colourless.

 

I trained as a diesel engineer in the Merchant Navy, 20,000 hp main prorpulsion units, 1,000 KW generators, all diesel of course.  Had many, many SEAT and Skoda diesels. All 1.9D (Fabia1VRS and OCtys) except a 2 litre in the SEAT.  Could see the writing on the wall then.  As soon as the petrols went to turbocharging and the gap between fuel consumption closed up, and especially using them mostly in the UK where diesel was the same or higher buy price per litre, to me it seemed that turbo petrol was the way to go.   Saw the designs for the Common rail, a system we had been using for decades, and compared it with the PD system, which although a little noisy I thought was superior and said no thanks to any more diesels.  

 

I suggest you check you facts as to which constituents are the most harmful.  I think you will find it is NO, then PMs and then CO/CO2 in that order.  Ignorance is bliss. 

 

(Oh and I have a honours degree (2-1) specialising in thermodynamics since my diesel apprenticeship days.

[silver1011]

You gotta love the Daily Mail 

 

• Prostitutes, Viagra-fuelled sex parties and a $750k fund to bribe German MPs.
• How latest emissions scandal shows VW has learned nothing from its murky past
• Volkswagen has been mired in scandal and bribery claims for past 30 years
• Car giant laid on prostitutes at sex parties for German MPs to bypass employment practises that truncated production
• Set aside £500,000 'honeytrap' slush fund to lure union bosses into compromising positions and weaken their power
• Paid £1.2million in illegal 'sweeteners' to fund orgies and pay for luxury five-star hotels for supervisors

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3247421/Prostitutes-champagne-Viagra-fuelled-sex-parties-500-000-fund-bribe-German-MPs-latest-emissions-scandal-shows-VW-learned-murky-past.html

[Tim1631]

If you had bothered to read, and perhaps understood, I have a big (well 2.5 litire) petrol, Jaguar type S, as well, NO is 80 mg/km I gather, CO2 a rather stiff 249 g/km, not sure on the CO but the PM2.5s and PM10 I think should be quite low as they  tend to be with petrols and it.  Too me it is the smoke ie the PMs that are the dirty element, NO tend to be brown where as CO and CO2, if I remember my chemistry, is colourless.

 

I trained as a diesel engineer in the Merchant Navy, 20,000 hp main prorpulsion units, 1,000 KW generators, all diesel of course.  Had many, many SEAT and Skoda diesels. All 1.9D (Fabia1VRS and OCtys) except a 2 litre in the SEAT.  Could see the writing on the wall then.  As soon as the petrols went to turbocharging and the gap between fuel consumption closed up, and especially using them mostly in the UK where diesel was the same or higher buy price per litre, to me it seemed that turbo petrol was the way to go.   Saw the designs for the Common rail, a system we had been using for decades, and compared it with the PD system, which although a little noisy I thought was superior and said no thanks to any more diesels.  

 

I suggest you check you facts as to which constituents are the most harmful.  I think you will find it is NO, then PMs and then CO/CO2 in that order.  Ignorance is bliss. 

 

(Oh and I have a honours degree (2-1) specialising in thermodynamics since my diesel apprenticeship days.

Irrelevant again, who cares that you worked on diesel engines. What are you contributing to this thread?

[fordfan]

How many people set Nitrogen Oxide (NOx) emissions as an important criteria to consider when buying a new car?  I bet that it's close to zero.  The only emissions that people think about is CO2, as that is what we're brain washed into thinking is important  and it has a direct impact on future car spending.

 

It seems to me that a lot of people are now getting het up over a thing that they've not even considered a week ago, or even heard of.

 

One thing to consider is that if you lower NOx you increase CO2, so to make these cars compliant in the real world on one, you could be looking to pay more vehicle excise duty in the future.

 

VW have pushed it too far with their profits first, customers second and couldn't care less about the rest of the population attitude.

[lol-lol]

Irrelevant again, who cares that you worked on diesel engines. What are you contributing to this thread?

 

 

God helps us Timmy.  I mention my credentials, point out the latest environmental information that states NO and PMs are the most dangerous, quote the various levels of output of various engines and add to that as it is apparent that VAG has even been breaking these rather high, by some standards, levels of NO by a factor of ten to as much as forty and the various reports from London, UK, EU and US health stating the tens and hundreds of thousands of deaths, which VAG as the car maker which makes the most diesels.  Diesel cars are a major contribution factor to levels of NO in the cities and we should regards VAG's cheating action where it appears the NO appears to be several fold what it legally allowed to be as a bigger threat to public health than just about anything else at the moment.

 

Remap the high output diesels to protect public health, plain and simply.  Fit SCR where possible, and test that it is operating properly as VAG should not be trusted.  Ad Blue should be being consumed at about a litre per 1000 km if working correctly.   No remap, no SCR, no using on English roads, I would let the NI, Scots and Welsh decide if they want to go along with it as their population density makes it much less an issue and they might want to buy these lemons.

[Clunkclick]

How many people set Nitrogen Oxide (NOx) emissions as an important criteria to consider when buying a new car?  I bet that it's close to zero.  The only emissions that people think about is CO2, as that is what we're brain washed into thinking is important  and it has a direct impact on future car spending.

 

It seems to me that a lot of people are now getting het up over a thing that they've not even considered a week ago, or even heard of.

 

One thing to consider is that if you lower NOx you increase CO2, so to make these cars compliant in the real world on one, you could be looking to pay more vehicle excise duty in the future.

 

VW have pushed it too far with their profits first, customers second and couldn't care less about the rest of the population attitude.

BBC seemed to  indicate that the need to make a choice between NOx or CO2 could be avoided by fitting additional capture/catalyst devices in the exhaust system at an estimated cost of £200 a vehicle - which would, under the influence of standard motor industry commercial policy,  probably translate into another £2000 on the top- of-the-range models.

 

 

Why am I reminded of this:-

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgysRim_zT4

Nick

Edited 24 September, 2015 by Clunkclick