I think you'll find that that matter of 'other vehicles' is simply down to govt regulators and their pragmatic approach that they can't fix everything if there is still to be a single surviving motor manufacturer.

It a losing battle and times running out for the 'light urban diesel' I suspect.

And

For the reciprocating engine as well ultimately .

 

No. it's not - your posts suggest you believe VW are producing far higher emissions in Europe than anyone else (if that's not your point I'm not really sure what is, I'm struggling to understand your posts) which simply isn't the case.  In the US, other manufacturers were not able to get their cars under the limits without adblue but in Europe, rival engines are all using similar technology to VW and were able to get their cars certified.  They may not have been using cheat devices but clearly there's a huge bending of the rules when certified cars are many, many times over even the more generous limits.

 

As I said in my original post you quoted, VW should be able to certify their engines for EU5 without significant changes to the engine otherwise rivals wouldn't have been able to certify their similar engines either.

 

I do think in general it's good this issue has been highlighted and actions will be taken as vast difference in emissions has been happening for too long and very little action has been taken so far, what ever happens to VW doesn't affect me as I drive a petrol Mazda but I can still see there is a problem on the whole, not just with VW.  Before anyone accuses me about my dirty car, I very rarely use it and now do more miles on my pedal bikes - good for me, good for the car and good for the wallet with the added bonus it's better for the environment and the roads.

 

John

Edited 2 October, 201510 yr by JohnMcL7

No. it's not - your posts suggest you believe VW are producing far higher emissions in Europe than anyone else (if that's not your point I'm not really sure what is, I'm struggling to understand your posts) which simply isn't the case.  In the US, other manufacturers were not able to get their cars under the limits without adblue but in Europe, rival engines are all using similar technology to VW and were able to get their cars certified.  They may not have been using cheat devices but clearly there's a huge bending of the rules when certified cars are many, many times over even the more generous limits.

 

As I said in my original post you quoted, VW should be able to certify their engines for EU5 without significant changes to the engine otherwise rivals wouldn't have been able to certify their similar engines either.

 

I do think in general it's good this issue has been highlighted and actions will be taken as vast difference in emissions has been happening for too long and very little action has been taken so far, what ever happens to VW doesn't affect me as I drive a petrol Mazda but I can still see there is a problem on the whole, not just with VW.  Before anyone accuses me about my dirty car, I very rarely use it and now do more miles on my pedal bikes - good for me, good for the car and good for the wallet with the added bonus it's better for the environment and the roads.

 

John

I'm not suggesting VW are any worse on the road.

I suspect they're ALL bad on the road but regulators have basically accepted that reality as pragmatists.

The alternative is to make the light urban diesel a thing of the past.

Unfortunately it will not be a choice Richard

 

It will be if you're bloody minded enough.

Selling old stock still.

Just wondering whether when a dealer orders a vehicle does he pay VW immediately and then have to recover his money on sale?.

If that is the case, a 'freeze' on sales of dirty models would have him financing it for a considerable time, multiplied by the number of vehicles involved.

Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume some of them continued to be sold simply to reduce his financial exposure, particularly if he's struggling.

The dealer could be the meat in the sandwich twice over.

This may well have been raised before in this long running thread but what would the situation be if even part of a deceit run vehicle were part paid for by a credit card ( as I think mine may well have been as far as the initial deposit was concerned) as I believe I read somewhere the situation is the credit Card Company can be held responsible for the whole cost. IF this is true, the credit card companies could stand to lose an awful amount of money.

This may well have been raised before in this long running thread but what would the situation be if even part of a deceit run vehicle were part paid for by a credit card ( as I think mine may well have been as far as the initial deposit was concerned) as I believe I read somewhere the situation is the credit Card Company can be held responsible for the whole cost. IF this is true, the credit card companies could stand to lose an awful amount of money.

Hahaha

Have you ever tried to but one on a credit card?.

If they say yes it's because you are being ripped off on the price to start with.

Even the deposit is a compromise for the dealer.

Automotive News 'First Shift' reports that

U.S. VW CEO Horn is to address a congressional panel with EPA reps next week.

That'll be interesting, expect a heated discussion from the politicians looking for a boost to their popularity.

Just in

VW Australia has suspended all sales of vehicles in oz involving EA189 engines

Jetta, Passat CC, Passat B7, Tiguan and Caddy.

From a govt perspective in Australia frinstance

Annual State registration process could be subject to the VIN being ticked off as complying with the relevant clean air act.

In other words not able to be reregistered until the recall has been completed.

For Govt that's a significant issue to resolve ...........they're in a bind also.

Umm,,, I wonder could a government withdraw certification for a vehicle type years after having approved it? If they tried would owners have a case against said government for authorising sales of an inadequately tested vehicle? 

I wonder could a government withdraw certification for a vehicle type years after having approved it? If they tried would owners have a case against said government for authorising sales of an inadequately tested vehicle? 

This case is about cheating device... and passing test using it... All blame just for VW...

Spanish gov asked VW Group (not owners) to pay back 1000 EUR per car for not be as green as should...

Umm,,, I wonder could a government withdraw certification for a vehicle type years after having approved it? If they tried would owners have a case against said government for authorising sales of an inadequately tested vehicle?

Govt's in my experience respond to public pressure rather than any principle.

Regulators will try to avoid doing anything if they can get away with it.

People bought New Euro 6 Emission Skoda recently and then received a £100 cheque from Skoda because the Emissions Co2 g/km is slightly wrong.

Did this change by much. Would you have a link.....I'm playing catch up.

Interesting turn of events.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-news/93030/exclusive-car-makers-cant-meet-euro6-emissions-targets

GAFF

see post #23..

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/370897-first-road-tax-for-my-14

 

and there are others in other threads.

Maybe post a question asking who has received £100 cheque recently after buying a new car.

 

..........................

It was well known what the German Government along with support from the British Government were doing to help the German Car Manufacturers that could not get Vehicles and Technology sorted out in time for Euro 7 Emissions in 2020,

but as it turns out Euro 5 were already an issue.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24532284

2013, and there was plenty of coverage back then, and even threads on Briskoda about it.

Govt's in my experience respond to public pressure rather than any principle.

<SNIP>

The 2003 invasion of Iraq being a prime illustration of this point . . .

Just seen this on the BBC site.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34425306

 

Not a comprehensive test, but probably a fair indication of 'real world' driving.

The NOx levels on the VW is about 4 times the EU5 limits, but nowhere near the 10 - 40 times the limits that has been banded about in the media. Then the Ford is 5 times the EU6 limits which it is supposed to meet.

I read a rebuttal of that somewhere recently re lithium

The mining and processing is not a harmful process

They can be recycled cleanly

The power generation process is getting cleaner all the time ie coal is being gradually replaced all over the world - check out the share price performance of coal producers if in doubt.

Coal and oil represent the reintroduction of one buried carbon into the atmosphere over the last 200 years.

I think the report was in Green Car Reports.........highly recommend for those who understand California's influence in transport of all kinds.

Problem is there isn't enough lithium about for mass vehicle battery's. Small devices are fine as the quantities needed are small enough to cope.

Well yes part of the 60% is being tackled by increased renewable power gen, the plan to move to more nuclear and replacing coal power station with fast response 100 MW gas turbine unit as well as reducing agricultural NO which is area I would be interested someone else comment on. 

 

One coal fired station in the UK has SCR to virtually eliminate NOx but it's not used. The Government has had to relax the rules to keep other coal fired stations running. We just don't have enough spare capacity to keep closing 2000MW coal fired stations.

 

During this week of high pressure and hardly any wind, the billions and billions we have spent on wind was providing us with less than 1% of the UK's electricity and at night we had no solar. Currently wind is providing 0.59% of the UK's needs. If we have freezing temperatures and no wind mid winter we are going to be very close to blackouts.

We only really have one Nuclear project confirmed with finances agreed and that project is slipping and slipping. It's massively expensive for the consumer and will only offset the closure of Drax, one coal fired station.

 

For all the Governments bluster energy policy is a joke.

 

Lee

Edited 3 October, 201510 yr by logiclee

Problem is there isn't enough lithium about for mass vehicle battery's. Small devices are fine as the quantities needed are small enough to cope.

The current substitute is graphite ....plentiful n cheap.

Can't wait for a no-maintenance/low-maintenance battery and hope graphene is the game changer it promises also.

Come on VW, give us some info.........we're running out of OT subjects and thumb twiddling.

VW should have programmed the ECU to put the car into emergency shut-down mode when it detected unusual parameters, that would have foxed them.... :|  :|

Has anyone considered that changing the software and emissions may cause our cars to fail their MOT earlier than otherwise

?

Has anyone considered that changing the software and emissions may cause our cars to fail their MOT earlier than otherwise

?

You think that VW would make a software change that would cause the cars to emit more smoke?

High(er) EGR rates can be successful at reducing NO_x creation, and higher EGR use does cause more particulate emissions, but hopefully DPFs can cope...

The other thing is it cannot be just the rear wheels not turning that triggers the ECU otherwise it would happen if you were stuck in snow....