TRD didn't last long in Australia .....it was an Australian manufactured Camry version.

Don't think I've ever seen one

 

Thanks for the light-hearted interlude any way...

 

Now back to "My car (that I loved until last week) is dirty!!!"

Why is that Toyota come up with ****-sounding names?!?  First MR2 (5hitty en francais) and then TRD (as in TuRD)!  

Up!MiiCitigo thank goodness they never built diesel engine ones.

Why is that Toyota come up with ****-sounding names?!?  First MR2 (5hitty en francais) and then TRD (as in TuRD)!  

 

Vauxhall Nova - didn't go well in Spain

Vauxhall Nova - didn't go well in Spain

Lol it's a non goer !

Perhaps too much time spent with Gran Turismo but I immediately think Toyota Racing Development when I see TRD.

 

John

Rolls Royce almost marketed a Silver Mist? until it was pointed out it meant fart in German.

Checked my 2012 Fabia 1.2tdi Greenline on the website, it's affected. If the mod gives it less performance the thing won't move at all.

They only have to remove any cheats, any hardware replaced if there is an issue with that, then have the emissions the Governments will let them get away with, & that will be lax in Europe,

and then have the performance that they sold the car with at least, or maybe better.

Or replace the car if they can not achieve that.

If customers do not let them away with some short changing.

 

So Motorsport Heritage and Success, and all the knowledge from decades of car manufacturing, it is hardly going to be beyond their ability.

Advanced Technology, Audi Endurance Racing Diesels, VW going into F1 etc etc

 

They just have to spend and spend and spend until they get things sorted.

Maybe assets seized from the Main Shareholders that have achieved great wealth and positions of power over 

World Economies from cheating and deceiving.

 

Sadly the normal employees on normal types of incomes will be the ones that suffer.

They only have to remove any cheats, any hardware replaced if there is an issue with that, then have the emissions the Governments will let them get away with, & that will be lax in Europe,

and then have the performance that they sold the car with at least, or maybe better.

Removing any cheats mean switching on emission control at all time...

That's mean more cut fuel or cut rpms... It's mean less power...

And if it does they have to get you what you bought.

Minimum HP  / lb/ft Torque at what ever rpm.

They publish the figures, print the brouchures.

You bought a vehicle with the performance and efficiency of , 86 ps, 105, 122, 140 180 ps or what ever. (minimum)

* VW, Audi, Seat, Skoda will even charge a customer £700 extra to have a 105ps rather than 86ps, 

or £1,000 to Remove the Speed Limiter when it is a Performance model.

even thought the Hardware is the same and the difference is software.*

 

In the UK you will be no more than 4,000 feet above sea level and in Ambient temperatures below 40*oc.

So ideal conditions and fuel.  they need to get their act together.

 

If they mis-sold you a vehicle, do not accept anything less than you paid for.

Simples really.

You do not have to be a lesser customer than anyone in the US just because the UK / EU Civil Courts and

Government allow Corporations to take the Pith.

 

.................

You might find the car you have now performs better in the UK than the Official Figures from the EU Testing,

and the 'Fix; might have it still achieving above the HP / Torque as you thought you were buying.

 

Nobody is going to give the Manufacturer a thank you for having given you more than you thought you were paying for.

Odd that.

 

Take your car to a Dyno and see what you have now if you are going to have the VWG having a 'Fix' done for you.

Will VAG be "Consuming its own smoke" in this matter i.e. bearing the settled costs of rectification in full or will they be laying it off to some insurance policy . . . perhaps held by Lloyds names - that would be laughing all the way to the bunker, wouldn't it ? 

 

Presumably, once the in-car reporting systems are put on the "Straight and level", a number of other issues with VAG engines will become apparent i.e. the real elephant in the corner, the Exhaust Gas Recirculation system. I would think that the quantity of  pollution caused by the latter, which, most VAG diesel (And petrol) owners know has to be cleaner than a Nun's crotch to even have a chance of working to specification (And in real World driving  situation, over the last 20 years usually doesn't ) will make that initially "Hidden" from the testers pale into insignificance.

 

Its a bit odd, that a system, which on paper is supposed to reduce air pollution, in real World use , in the majority of cases, causes the opposite to happen.

 

- Further, presumption, that the MOT section of the DOT must be gearing-up to do a stiff bit of ignoring or bull****ting on the "Going-Forward" policy front.

 

Meanwhile, on the back of this "Issue", an ambitious German Car industry executive (And supporters)  has engineered a  corporate coup to the CEO post by means of a nice bit of asymmetrical warfare and, furthermore,  I'll still be pottering around in my 12 year old, 60k Fab shoving out engine oil through the exhaust port at a rate of 1 litre per 600 miles courtesy of worn valve guides/defective EGR.

 

Air pollution Policy, what Policy's that ? - Silly, the one that says Diesels need only be tested for smoke.

 

 

Nick

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Removing any cheats mean switching on emission control at all time...

That's mean more cut fuel or cut rpms... It's mean less power...

 

I think you are confusing the US and EU situations here.

 

From what we know so far the cheat software doesn't need to be activated in the EU to pass the emission's tests? Seems that for many cars it's just a case of removing the dodgy software as with it cars are contravening regulations even if it's not used. 

 

But there is still a lot of confusion around this which won't be answered until VW set out exactly what they propose to do and it is accepted by the authorities.

is vw 1.2tdi 3 cylinders affected by the scandal? 

 

my friend is looking at seat ibiza 1.2tdi ecomotive. i advised him to not till find out if this engine is affected by the scandal. i cant be bothered to sign up vw or seat forums. thought id ask here as same engine in fabia and roomster

 

cheers 

Will VAG be "Consuming its own smoke" in this matter i.e. bearing the settled costs of rectification in full or will they be laying it off to some insurance policy . . . perhaps held by Lloyds names - that would be laughing all the way to the bunker, wouldn't it ? 

 

Presumably, once the in-car reporting systems are put on the "Straight and level", a number of other issues with VAG engines will become apparent i.e. the real elephant in the corner, the Exhaust Gas Recirculation system. I would think that the quantity of  pollution caused by the latter, which, most VAG diesel (And petrol) owners know has to be cleaner than a Nun's crotch to even have a chance of working to specification (And in real World driving  situation, over the last 20 years usually doesn't ) will make that initially "Hidden" from the testers pale into insignificance.

 

Its a bit odd, that a system, which on paper is supposed to reduce air pollution, in real World use , in the majority of cases, causes the opposite to happen.

 

- Further, presumption, that the MOT section of the DOT must be gearing-up to do a stiff bit of ignoring or bull****ting on the "Going-Forward" policy front.

 

Meanwhile, on the back of this "Issue", an ambitious German Car industry executive (And supporters)  has engineered a  corporate coup to the CEO post by means of a nice bit of asymmetrical warfare and, furthermore,  I'll still be pottering around in my 12 year old, 60k Fab shoving out engine oil through the exhaust port at a rate of 1 litre per 600 miles courtesy of worn valve guides/defective EGR.

 

Air pollution Policy, what Policy's that ? - Silly, the one that says Diesels need only be tested for smoke.

 

 

Nick

I doubt that as it wasn't caused by accident but by deceit.

 

I suppose that the one good thing that comes out of this will be that governments etc. will take a fresh look at this and come up with a completely new set of regulations and tests that ensure that real improvements are made to emissions rather than the absurd situation we have now where the ever tighter regulations have resulted in more dangerous particles i.e. finer ones being emitted. 

 

Now that this is all out in the open with massive publicity governments/bureaucrats can no longer pretend to be doing something as they will be under pressure from the public at large.

I think you are confusing the US and EU situations here.

Will see... soon 

but just think...

They have to update ECU and chenge in some engines hardware... (injectors and exhaust system - catalytic converter)

That is for EU customers...

Exactly.

 More might have to be done where doing the least will leave customers with vehicles that perform less well.

 

They might like to get off with a Software Enhancement, 

but people have no need to accept less performance or economy, because the VWG need to get the Emissions correct.

 

If they can not do it economically, VWG know what to do,

 Purchase the vehicle and offer a replacement.  

They have been buying back other Lemons for years now where there are Fundamental Design or manufacturing

faults and lack of Quality Control.

They just like to keep it on the QT.

Mine is a cheat according to skoda put vin in the identification on skoda.uk

I think you are confusing the US and EU situations here.

 

From what we know so far the cheat software doesn't need to be activated in the EU to pass the emission's tests? Seems that for many cars it's just a case of removing the dodgy software as with it cars are contravening regulations even if it's not used. 

 

But there is still a lot of confusion around this which won't be answered until VW set out exactly what they propose to do and it is accepted by the authorities.

 

Agreed - the major difference is that in the US, as far as I'm aware other diesels weren't able to pass the test without an adblue system so the cheat software allowed VW to pass the test without such a system or have it running minimally (one of the failed cars did have an adblue system).  In the EU though other diesels using similar technology to VW passed the EU5 tests even though some of them are higher than VW in reality so they should be able to pass the tests without the major change they're going to need in the US.

 

John

TBH... once more time...

 

http://worldarchy.com/muller-vw-ideas-to-launch-recall-in-january/

 

“Our final results and the current fiscal planning come below massive strain”, the new CEO Matthias Müller stated aloud speech manuscript at a staff meeting in VW’s major plant in Wolfsburg.

To the extra charges as in retrofitting numerous of to be capable to lift about eleven million affected diesel autos, the firm had presently made provisions of six.five billion euros. “One particular thing is particular: The loads will be huge. Possibly quite massive “, Müller explained at the non-public occasion in Wolfsburg. His speech text was before the German Press Agency.

The repair of the affected cars to get started early subsequent year and for a lengthy time can drag on. “If every thing goes as planned, we can commence the recall in January,” explained Volkswagen CEO Matthias Müller of the “Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung” (Wednesday edition). “By the end of 2016, then be all the automobiles in purchase.” VW had the “particular answer” vote on each and every model and to buy the necessary components.

This is about the engine EA 189 in mixture with numerous transmissions and various country-distinct interpretations, Müller mentioned. “So we do not want 3 options, but 1000’s.” For most motors satisfy an update of the software. Some automobiles but may possibly need to have new injectors and catalytic converters."

Dynamic testing will come into effect by 2017 according to GoAuto News.

If the current and seemingly fragile sensor laden diesel can't meet THOSE requirements without even more complexity it'll kill light diesels from an economic perspective for one thing before even considering further emmissions reductions.

The alternatives aren't that far away.

Removing any cheats mean switching on emission control at all time...

That's mean more cut fuel or cut rpms... It's mean less power...

 

Why does it?

If there are very specific parameters involved that have to be met to bring the specific emission control package into action, which from what has been previously released, applies, then in general motoring those parameters will not be met and there will be no difference to the normal use of the car.

Injectors I can understand to bring back power/mpg post update on some engines (probably only the 1.2 & 1.6).

But catalytic converters?

Catalytic Selective Reduction.   (SCR) With the Vehicles using AdBlue.

 

So there you go, they might need to replace Catalytic Converters on Diesel cars,

some Diesel cars.

I checked my 2014 Octy VRS vin number and it is not affected, which surprised me as I have often wondered how they have managed to get the emissions so low on these engines, I doubt I would have taken it in for the recall anyway as I like how it drives now.

This should mean my car is worth more when I come to sell it (applying car dealer logic)