How do you guys know that the clutch is actually disengaged when your brake pedal is hard on the floor?

Just because you don't creep?

Nah!

It ain't in the manual.

And more importantly - how do you get to Bold Text on this bloody forum?

How do you guys know that the clutch is actually disengaged when your brake pedal is hard on the floor?

Just because you don't creep?

Nah!

It ain't in the manual.

And more importantly - how do you get to Bold Text on this bloody forum?

Because it's in the technical specifications for the VAG Self Learning program for their technicians regarding DSG gearbox design. Did you even watch the video I posted?

I don't understand why you are refusing to believe people who have a decent understanding of how the DSG gearboxes work.

 

As for bold text, that's really easy to figure out.

Bold is easy on a PC but not sure you can on the simple mobile view version. Probably can on tapatalk or similar but I don't use them myself.

Edited 10 December, 20169 yr by Gerrycan

Yup! 6 speed DSG. Clutches are engaged with footbrake on - the car can be felt to be pulling against the brake.

Don't be wimp press the brake harder

Don't be wimp press the brake harder

I will try that. And the brake pressing too!

My driving style - pull up to lights - neutral and handbrake on - never pressed brake hard when stationary. Sometimes press hard enough to bring in start stop then it's swear - override SS and as above.

I've experimented with this since this was my first DSG car and it seems that if you you only apply a very light pressure to the brake pedal once stopped, and left in D/S then the revs stay at about 1000, but if you press a bit harder of the brake then the revs drop to 750, and I guess at that point the clutch disengages.

 

Following this thread with interest as I don't like the idea of blinding the car behind me with my brake lights, plus there is a safety issue to consider.  If you hold the car with just the food brake, and someone rear-ends you, the impact will likely knock your foot of the brake, and now you have a car which is going to creep forward (once the initial impact speed has gone).  However if you stop apply the handbrake and pop it into N, then even if you are hit the car won't keep driving forwards while you regain your composure....

Does anyone actually get blinded by brakelights? Never had that problem.

So unless stopping for a few seconds, it's good old fashioned Handbrake - Neutral. Feet off the pedals till its time to go.

Doh. I've been putting in "P" with handbrake. I should have RTFM :-(

Does anyone actually get blinded by brakelights? Never had that problem.

Not blinded as such, but it's very unpleasant and unnecessary. One of the reasons I wouldn't buy an automatic.

Bold is easy on a PC but not sure you can on the simple mobile view version. Probably can on tapatalk or similar but I don't use them myself.

Thanks. Might explain why no text formatting shows here.

Does anyone actually get blinded by brakelights? Never had that problem.

Yep. Me. Suffer from it every day. Bastid automatic drivers :-)

So I try to minimise the amount of "brake light blinding" I do.

Not blinded as such, but it's very unpleasant and unnecessary. One of the reasons I wouldn't buy an automatic.

Don't let that little niggle put you off an auto. They're wonderful.

I've driven around 120,000 miles with DSG boxes and the process of stopping at lights is not really any different to driving a manual. Come to a stop, flick the DSG lever to N, pull hand brake, release foot brake. 

Does anyone actually get blinded by brakelights? Never had that problem.

It's a subject that's often been complained about during coffee breaks at work, so yes I and several of my work colleagues say that it's a problem - especially when you're stuck in a stop-start queue on the M27 for over an hour because of yet another accident!

Edited 11 December, 20169 yr by PetrolDave

The trouble is round here by the time you have pressed the brake again to put it back into D  then released the handbrake the one on the brake in front of you has gone and the one behind you is already on the horn 

Cant remember if I ever have used the handbrake since I got my new Octy 1. April  

I dont know why there is an N on the gearbox either.

D for driving, P for parking. For me there is nothing more to it.........

When ever I pull up to a set of traffic lights etc, I always use neutral & handbrake, purely due to the fact that I don't like to be on my brake pedal, causing the brakes to either get used constantly or even causing any uneven wear etc. Its the same for a manual, you have to put it in neutral, handbrake applied, either way, DSG or manual, you still have to wait & watch for the traffic lights to change in-order to select 1st gear or "D" drop handbrake & go, suppose the only difference in a manual is you would of dropped the handbrake but with your foot still on the brake pedal then select 1st gear to move off, in the DSG its more foot of brake pedal, drop handbrake then select "D" 

 

If I see another car fast approaching behind me via my rear view mirror, even thou I have the handbrake applied & in neutral, I then just put my foot on the brake pedal so that car approaching behind me will hopefully come to a stop, just more of a safety reason, as if to say "Yes I've stopped" 

Edited 11 December, 20169 yr by BATVANVRS

Same with mine 6sp DSG. When you press the brake pedal, the rpm drops and the clutch disengage.

If you engage the handbrake and release the brakes the rpm rises and the clutch are engaged and the car starts pulling.

You're all right - playing about today and yes a light press on the brakes and the car wants to creep but is just held engine revs at 1000ish. Firm press and the clutches disengage and revs drop to 750ish.

 

Playing about in Tesco's car park today I noticed that when idling in neutral if accelerator is pressed fully engine revs don't go above 2,500. Is this the "launch control" that I've read about?

Edited 12 December, 20169 yr by YMe

Playing about in Tesco's car park today I noticed that when idling in neutral if accelerator is pressed fully engine revs don't go above 2,500. Is this the "launch control" that I've read about?

No, it's pretty standard that most cars (and vans) have a low rev limit in neutral. Usually about halfway across the Rev range, so lower in a diesel vs petrol.

Edited 12 December, 20169 yr by ahenners

You're all right - playing about today and yes a light press on the brakes and the car wants to creep but is just held engine revs at 1000ish. Firm press and the clutches disengage and revs drop to 750ish.

 

Playing about in Tesco's car park today I noticed that when idling in neutral if accelerator is pressed fully engine revs don't go above 2,500. Is this the "launch control" that I've read about?

Dual mass flywheel protection, so revs limited in neutral.

The way it seemed to work on the fabia dsg was you pressed the brake quite firmly to disengage the clutch, if you did not press it firmly enough then not also did it not disengage the clutch but also stop\start would not cut the engine off why stationary, so that also made you realise that you were not pressing the brakes firmly enough, if you eased off on the brakes the engine would restart and the clutch start to engage so you had to keep firm pressure on the brake pedal. When my wife was learning to drive in the fabia stop\start was a good way of knowing she was pressing the brakes hard enough to disengage the clutch.

Not pressing the brake hard enough when stationary could explain why I have read of a few cases of what it would consider premature replacement of dry DSG clutches.

It would be like me continuously riding my manual clutch on a hill instead of applying the brake.

You're all right - playing about today and yes a light press on the brakes and the car wants to creep but is just held engine revs at 1000ish. Firm press and the clutches disengage and revs drop to 750ish.

 

Playing about in Tesco's car park today I noticed that when idling in neutral if accelerator is pressed fully engine revs don't go above 2,500. Is this the "launch control" that I've read about?

No you get a kinda launch control when you slow down after being in cruise control at say a roundabout and as you exit the roundabout hit "continue" on cruise control and it will zip up through the DSG gears in D or S mode to previously set cruise speed.   ;<)

Edited 12 December, 20169 yr by Bidey

Not blinded as such, but it's very unpleasant and unnecessary. One of the reasons I wouldn't buy an automatic.

 

I don't mean to be rude, but if I read this correctly, you seriously choose your car transmission based on possibly offending the drivers behind you with brake lights?

 

If you're stopped at traffic lights, there's big red lights shining in the drivers face anyway..... the ones the council installs telling you to stop!

Having all the cars stopped at the lights NOT showing their brake lights is not going to make anyone's day any easier or save anyone's eyesight.

 

Things must be very very different in UK/Europe, if this is seriously a thing people think about...... perhaps you have much brighter globes/LEDs than us here?

 

Based on all these comments, you'd all best turn your indicators off when stopped at traffic lights as well..... as having that flashing light in my face would be more annoying to me, than a constant-lit brake light.