5 minutes ago, FABinBlack said:

the change is pretty easy , no need to drain anything only block the 2 coolant lines , lifting the car would be helpful but not a must .. its kinda tricky to take the bolts that hold the turbo

 off if the car is not lifted but possible from the engine bay.. whole proccess took me and my cousin an hour and we are going to do it on his fabia too so ill have so pics.

 

5 hours ago, FABinBlack said:

the change is pretty easy , no need to drain anything only block the 2 coolant lines , lifting the car would be helpful but not a must .. its kinda tricky to take the bolts that hold the turbo

 off if the car is not lifted but possible from the engine bay.. whole proccess took me and my dad an hour and we are going to do it on his fabia too so ill have so pics.

Thank you very much, that doesnt sound too bad at all... 

 

Fitted this MST intake and silicon hose to  replace the stock intake and delete the intake muffler yesterday.  Took it for a test run along snake pass today, and it sounds a lot better than stock.  Its loudest when the engine is under load between 1-3k rpm when the turbo is spooling, and when taking your foot off the accelerator in the lower rev range you can hear a subtle hiss from the turbo spooling down.  However, one of the most noticeable sounds now is the turbo whistling when accelerating.

On 18/09/2020 at 15:17, TheFozzy said:

 

Fitted this MST intake and silicon hose to  replace the stock intake and delete the intake muffler yesterday.  Took it for a test run along snake pass today, and it sounds a lot better than stock.  Its loudest when the engine is under load between 1-3k rpm when the turbo is spooling, and when taking your foot off the accelerator in the lower rev range you can hear a subtle hiss from the turbo spooling down.  However, one of the most noticeable sounds now is the turbo whistling when accelerating.

 

Think you'd be able to get us a video? a few have posted about such intakes (including the questionably positioned forge one) but none have posted videos, it'd be nice to know what it actually sounds like

On 20/09/2020 at 22:17, FabiaGonzales said:

 

Think you'd be able to get us a video? a few have posted about such intakes (including the questionably positioned forge one) but none have posted videos, it'd be nice to know what it actually sounds like

Yeah, the Forge one doesn't look like it gets much airflow, and considering the Forge intake costs £200, this is probably much better for reducing heat soak as its positioned at the front of the engine and has a metal heat shield.

If you're curious and don't know what this intake sounds like, here you go

1 hour ago, TheFozzy said:

If you're curious and don't know what this intake sounds like, here you go

That sounds pretty great!! Very very similar to the Forge one (I have the Forge fitted). Im guessing you also get a lot of intake sound when on power at lowish RPM? I do & I love it 

does the 90 silicone hose make much difference compared to the standard one with the resonators?

Well, it's none other than turbo tuesday!

 

Dyno run with stock map getting ~93 bhp and 135 ftlbs (1st pic)

A few runs creeping up then an experimental run with the turbo at 100% racking in 188 bhp and 230 ftlbs (2nd pic) that's 311nm!

 

Backing off a bit and finishing off the top end i think.. let's see how it goes!

 

Edit: Just saw 200+ on a unrecorded run! Definitely don't think thats what is ending up with haha

 

Edited 29 September, 20205 yr by FabiaGonzales

1 hour ago, FabiaGonzales said:

Well, it's none other than turbo tuesday!

 

Dyno run with stock map getting ~93 bhp and 135 ftlbs (1st pic)

A few runs creeping up then an experimental run with the turbo at 100% racking in 188 bhp and 230 ftlbs (2nd pic) that's 311nm!

 

Backing off a bit and finishing off the top end i think.. let's see how it goes!

 

Edit: Just saw 200+ on a unrecorded run! Definitely don't think thats what is ending up with haha

 

WOW!!! And this is on standard exhaust right? No sports cat or decat right?! Incredible!

45 minutes ago, Fab1493 said:

WOW!!! And this is on standard exhaust right? No sports cat or decat right?! Incredible!

Standard exhaust, standard intake, just a turbo swap.

 

On an unrestricted run it peaked a tad over 1.5bar (its a 2.5bar map sensor) with 240ftlbs and 208bhp, that was a benchmark to see what's possible from the turbo. The engine wouldnt last with it like that 24/7 but its fine for a single pull.

 

Backing it off a fair bit to around 1.3bar to keep things safe and seeing how it holds there, aiming for around the 175bhp mark.

11 minutes ago, FabiaGonzales said:

Standard exhaust, standard intake, just a turbo swap.

 

On an unrestricted run it peaked a tad over 1.5bar (its a 2.5bar map sensor) with 240ftlbs and 208bhp, that was a benchmark to see what's possible from the turbo. The engine wouldnt last with it like that 24/7 but its fine for a single pull.

 

Backing it off a fair bit to around 1.3bar to keep things safe and seeing how it holds there, aiming for around the 175bhp mark.

 

That is mental, makes me wonder what the 1.2tsi is capable of with uprated internals and the hybrid 1.4 turbo....

 

How much did you pay ADE for the tuning?

does anyone know if i could swap the 1L tsi turbo for the 1.2L or the 1.4L turbo ? as the 1L is a 3 cylinder not a 4 

1 minute ago, TheFozzy said:

 

That is mental, makes me wonder what the 1.2tsi is capable of with uprated internals and the hybrid 1.4 turbo....

 

How much did you pay ADE for the tuning?

The hybrid 1.4 turbo should be a very sweet upgrade, probably around 200 mark, 1.3 bar is around the limit for a safe 24/7 map, the hybrid should hold it easily to high rpms, the ecu and sensor can do 1.5 bar boost but the torque that kicks out at lower revs is possibly just a bit too much. I'm surprised it hasn't torn through my clutch tbh 😂

 

It's costing me £400 in all, with £50 deposit then £350 on the day. Still here at the moment  

5 minutes ago, J40STA said:

does anyone know if i could swap the 1L tsi turbo for the 1.2L or the 1.4L turbo ? as the 1L is a 3 cylinder not a 4 

I don't think so from what i can tell. JBS auto designs are doing a hybrid turbo for around 180bhp afaik

12 minutes ago, J40STA said:

does anyone know if i could swap the 1L tsi turbo for the 1.2L or the 1.4L turbo ? as the 1L is a 3 cylinder not a 4 

 

In theory you should be able to swap any engine from a car with a PQ26 chassis or possibly even the MQB chassis.  The MK3 Fabia uses the PQ26 chassis which is just an updated version of the PQ25 with some extra MQB bits which means VAG can share some of the ea211 engines between the PQ26 and MQB platforms.  So you could potentially swap in the 2.0 EA888 Gen 3 from a golf gti/octavia vrs/seat leon.   You could also swap the EA888 1.8 Polo GTI (6C) engine into the Fabia as both cars are built on the same PQ26 chassis (the older polo gti 6R is built on the pq25 chassis and shares the mediocre twin charged EA111 1.4tsi with the mk2 fabia vrs, i assume the engine mounts are slightly different)

 

Edit: Just realized you meant the turbo, not the whole engine

Edited 29 September, 20205 yr by TheFozzy

21 minutes ago, TheFozzy said:

 

 shares the mediocre twin charged EA111 1.4tsi with the mk2 fabia vrs

 

Interesting opinion, Is that the general consensus from mk3 owners or just you? 

 

 

2 hours ago, FabiaGonzales said:

Well, it's none other than turbo tuesday!

 

Dyno run with stock map getting ~93 bhp and 135 ftlbs (1st pic)

A few runs creeping up then an experimental run with the turbo at 100% racking in 188 bhp and 230 ftlbs (2nd pic) that's 311nm!

 

Backing off a bit and finishing off the top end i think.. let's see how it goes!

 

Edit: Just saw 200+ on a unrecorded run! Definitely don't think thats what is ending up with haha

 

 

Nice figures , interesting build to follow, keep up the good work.

Edited 29 September, 20205 yr by Mickmartin

22 minutes ago, FabiaGonzales said:

I don't think so from what i can tell. JBS auto designs are doing a hybrid turbo for around 180bhp afaik

i cant find any turbo kits at JBS that fit the 1L TSI 110 :(

22 minutes ago, TheFozzy said:

 

In theory you should be able to swap any engine from a car with a PQ26 chassis or possibly even the MQB chassis.  The MK3 Fabia uses the PQ26 chassis which is just an updated version of the PQ25 with some extra MQB bits which means VAG can share some of the ea211 engines between the PQ26 and MQB platforms.  So you could potentially swap in the 2.0 EA888 Gen 3 from a golf gti/octavia vrs/seat leon.   You could also swap the EA888 1.8 Polo GTI (6C) engine into the Fabia as both cars are built on the same PQ26 chassis (the older polo gti 6R is built on the pq25 chassis and shares the mediocre twin charged EA111 1.4tsi with the mk2 fabia vrs, i assume the engine mounts are slightly different)

 

Edit: Just realized you meant the turbo, not the whole engine

engine swap would be a big job u must really be in love with ur fabia if u want to do an engine swap :,)

@FabiaGonzales Thats great!!! I cant wait to see the final result! Im now thinking I should be taking mine to ADE... 

@J40STA JBS do one for the UP! GTI - If Im not mistaken thats the same base engine as the Fabia 1.0 TSI - so IN THEORY that would fit your engine even though they state its for the UP! GTI. It would be worth finding out directly from them. Their UP! now runs around 185bhp with their turbo kit

8 hours ago, Mickmartin said:

8 hours ago, TheFozzy said:

 

 shares the mediocre twin charged EA111 1.4tsi with the mk2 fabia vrs

 

Interesting opinion, Is that the general consensus from mk3 owners or just you? 

The EA111 1.4tsi is good in concept, but it was poorly thought out.  Depending on which engine code it is, some of the twincharged engines have a tendency to blow pistons (VAG blamed it on piston rings)  There were also numerous timing chain issues and there have been issues with the supercharger not engaging properly from what I know.  Its not to say there aren't good versions of the engine, but it's just a bit hit and miss, mostly miss if its the CAVE engine variant.  Its a bit like with the 2.0 diesel used in the 2006 Audi A3, the BKD engine is generally quite unreliable, vs the BMN which is much more reliable.

@TheFozzy  Your Supercharger comment is a bit odd, but the waterpump and magnetic clutch can be an issue after a few years and need replacing.

So mid 2012 which is more than 8 years ago the CAVE was discontinued and the CTHE was introduced.

Still with some of the Fundamental faults in Design / materials / engineering & use of OEM Consumables that were inappropriate.

That is just how VW Group are though, take a great idea that others can make work when not euro pinching and coc-k it up.

 

Not sure where you have see VW blame the piston rings,

as VW Group never admitted to any issues, they preferred to blame drivers, 

they did replace rings and scrappers and breathers and software and oil spray jets and more, but never owned up to being crap at engineering on this engine.

Home mechanics and commercial mechanics know what the issues are and how to resolve them and have a more reliable engine and with better performance.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/421365-links-to-lucifers-ultimate-guide-to-14-tsi-twincharger-engines

 

So @150ps they were and are a pretty good engine.

Worth putting on a Dyno to actually see what they can generate in the way of power.

2009

https://autocar.co.uk/car-review/seat/ibiza/first-drives/seat-ibiza-1.4-tsi-150-fr

then 2012

http://evo.co.uk/seat/ibiza/7142/seat-ibiza-fr-review

 

 Skoda fitted a 1.4 TSI 125ps with DSG to the (very) limited edition R5 Mk3.  

Happily in the car and could be tuned. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 30 September, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

5 hours ago, e-Roottoot said:

@TheFozzy  Your Supercharger comment is a bit odd, but the waterpump and magnetic clutch can be an issue after a few years and need replacing.

So mid 2012 which is more than 8 years ago the CAVE was discontinued and the CTHE was introduced.

Still with some of the Fundamental faults in Design / materials / engineering & use of OEM Consumables that were inappropriate.

That is just how VW Group are though, take a great idea that others can make work when not euro pinching and coc-k it up.

 

Not sure where you have see VW blame the piston rings,

as VW Group never admitted to any issues, they preferred to blame drivers, 

they did replace rings and scrappers and breathers and software and oil spray jets and more, but never owned up to being crap at engineering on this engine.

Home mechanics and commercial mechanics know what the issues are and how to resolve them and have a more reliable engine and with better performance.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/421365-links-to-lucifers-ultimate-guide-to-14-tsi-twincharger-engines

 

So @150ps they were and are a pretty good engine.

Worth putting on a Dyno to actually see what they can generate in the way of power.

2009

https://autocar.co.uk/car-review/seat/ibiza/first-drives/seat-ibiza-1.4-tsi-150-fr

then 2012

http://evo.co.uk/seat/ibiza/7142/seat-ibiza-fr-review

 

 Skoda fitted a 1.4 TSI 125ps with DSG to the (very) limited edition R5 Mk3.  

Happily in the car and could be tuned. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ah, thanks for enlightening me, isn't the 1.4tsi in the R5 edition the EA211 turbocharged one rather than the twin charged?

It will be, simply slipped in by Skoda and nothing special in the way of a map. No extra weight.  Just ripe for more performance without much effort.

24 minutes ago, e-Roottoot said:

It will be, simply slipped in by Skoda and nothing special in the way of a map. No extra weight.  Just ripe for more performance without much effort.

Yep, hybrid turbo to 230bhp for example,

 

The big advantage of the 125ps 1.4TSI EA211 is that it is a drop in upgrade replacement for the 1.2TSI, same harness, same ecu, same everything pretty much.

 

The 140/150ps versions have additional gubbins such as active cylinder disabling and the addition of variable valve timing on the exhaust camshaft (the 125ps 1.4 and the 1.2s only have vvt on the intake camshaft).

 

Overall a lazy move from skoda (could have been an easy vrs model which would have sold well), but it does show how it's a valid option if your 1.2 lump blows up (at least thats how i see it with mine 😂 )

 

Unfortunate conclusion to yesterdays Turbo Tuesday, it's back to stock for the time being, as there's something wierd happening beyond the 4500 rpm mark, where beyond a certain boost level it closes off the throttle, the turbo's still trying to make boost and the ecu is still dumping fuel in as it goes mad rich at that point, it's just closing the throttle for whatever reason.

 

The other thing being wierd is the wastegate actuator, cycling it with vcds it moves perfectly fine, but in practice there's a gap where it's goes from being open to just shutting off and sending boost to the moon, so that wasn't helping things.

 

I'm swapping the actuator across from the old turbo, and the tuner is looking into the maps to see if there's something that's missing for whatever reason, perhaps there's a high rpm throttle map thats not showing up or something, who knows!

 

So it's booked in for 3 weeks time on the 20th, at that time it'll probably be having the secondary cat removed, unless something else happens and i get a custom downpipe but thats on the less likely side of things 😂