Yes, that was my point, when they claim that presidents and royalty etc were using cars made by xyz, they were not using standard off the shelf models that the average person can get hold off, there is nothing remotely special about your Scenic, it is just a bog-standard half decent family runabout that just happens to suit your family needs. It is highly debatable that it would suit my needs with 4 of my family being 6ft 4" and 2 of us built like the proverbial brick **** houses and reasonable tall SWMBO. We also need a large boot to lug all the shopping home and to pop in a pair of step ladders at the weekend when we go plane spotting. There are many people like us, who do struggle to find a car that is suitable and affordable without going into the luxury car bracket of the S class etc, which are all far north of the £40,000 figure that is claimed by our authorities as a luxury car. On the Citroen front, yes, the DS when it came out was light years ahead of the competitors and in many ways, it still is. It had the world's finest suspension system, I've driven my old bosses DS23 Pallas on many occasions and it was silky smooth on the road and it was even possible to mount kerbs without any perception of doing so inside the car. The engine as well, although people claim it was lacklustre, at the time it was more than enough when compared to other cars of the era and it is only now noticeable because cars got more powerful over the years.