There is a difference between the NOx figures for emissions in the USA and Europe,in the USA its 31 mg NOx emissions per kilometre and in Europe its 80 mg NOx emissions per kilometre,as quoted in news item so they do not require so much if any cheating in the EU,sorry I meant adjusting in the EU.

There is a difference between the NOx figures for emissions in the USA and Europe,in the USA its 31 mg NOx emissions per kilometre and in Europe its 80 mg NOx emissions per kilometre,as quoted in news item so they do not require so much if any cheating in the EU,sorry I meant adjusting in the EU.

I believe the term they like to use is 'calibration'. 

Bonnets do not need to be open to plug in to the OBD on a TDI VW or Audi at a Californian Annual Emissions / Smog test.

Volkswagen bought into Suzuki to get access to their knowledge and technology,

last week Suzuki got out finally.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/business-34275917

IS THIS ALL COINCIDENCE THAT VW WERE NOT SHARING ALL THE TECHNOLOGY INFORMATION WITH SUZUKI?

Suzuki say VW took their research and technology and never gave back to Suzuki VW 'Secrets'.

Suzuki were buying 'Fiat' Engines,

that is JEEP / Fiat Diesel Engines, & VW took the huff.

So lots going on.

2010 the VW USA CEO left to go to Volvo,

and in 2013 went to GM..

Much to come out sooner rather than later.

Not sure of your point here.

In business it's a regular occurrence to buy another company or form a joint partnership solely to get access to research, patents and insider information only to cut ties once you've got what you were after.

Google famously did it with Motorola simply for the patent Haul and to cut their FRAND fees before selling what was left to leveno. Just about every major Corp going has done it.

Some go the full distance with a partnership/ownership, others ditch during due diligence once enough information has been gleaned.

Again relevance?

I just wonder how much of this might be Herr Piech getting his own back on Herr Winterkorn...   or am I reading too much into that and he wouldn't have...???

Murica is getting a bit more protectionist again. I guess they'll hammer VW as hard as they can whilst promoting good 'ol Detroit pig iron burning freedom fuel as the solution.

 

Still VW, stupid. Very stupid.

 

And I'm sure they'll invsetigate all the rest fo the overseas manufacturers, maybe except Fiat (Dodge, Jeep, Chrysler) and maybe  Merc with their US truck businesses.

?

for the EU to investigate a German Corporations US Divisions behaviour to Green Issues and Vehicle Emissions?

 

Probably only after Hell Freezes over!

 

Bigger worries right now like sorting out Humanitarian Crisis & refugees fleeing & from the United States of America & EU Countries Arming & Training Rebels, and also Training and Arming the people they are fighting and killing.

How Environmental Friendly are US / EU / UK Drones and Missiles & Transport Planes?

European Standards lower than USA - Never ! I wonder why?

gadgetman, re post #90

it will be pure coincidence that Suzuki bought out their very last shares on Thursday night

after the 4 year dispute, Suzuki Share price up on Friday.

and VW were ordered to do the recall on Friday.

VW Share price down on Monday, but not the best time to buy VW shares is it, and be liable for what VW are about to be paying out.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/business-34275917

 

Pure chance & maybe a bit of good sense that Suzuki who build vehicles in Hungary bought the Fiat diesel engines and not the Audi engines where Audi have the Engine plants in Hungary.

 

http://bbc.co.uk/news/business-34322016

 

http://bbc.co.uk/news/business-33687008

Vorsprung Durch Technik.  *Honesty in Engineering.*

'If you want to be the biggest, do it honestly / fairly and cleanly'

 

 

(the Jim'll Fix it theme song would be in bad taste.)

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/vw-usa-boss-our-company-was-dishonest-we-have-totally-screwed

Have they got a blame-hound yet?

 

Surely there must be some 'rogue' executive they can pin this one?

Preferably from a 3rd party software developer

 

i read that it is only the 2.0 tdi engine that is effected. With all the shouts by the media it sounds like it is all the cars vw have sold to the US over the years.

yes it is bad but it is not the end of the world.

my Guess there are other manufactures With the same trick.....

Edited 22 September, 201510 yr by bytterga

From the TV earlier only vehicles with adblue systems (SCR) are affected.

I'm sure a software glitch will be blamed rather than a deliberate act cough cough

Yep, as a few others have said VAG won't be the only ones doing this. They were just unlucky enough to be caught first.

Apparantly it's "Type EA 189 engines".... anyone know which engines these are?

I think Skoda were hoping to break into the US Market with the Fabia MKI Vrs. They already had a " On " button fitted into a secret compartment. This would have been used to turn the Software on as required. Everyone thought it was to chill the compartment, " Just how wrong were we "   

I see some news agencies are saying this morning that VW believe that there are 11 million cars involved worldwide. If true, that is going to be very painful for VW.

Well I don't know about anyone else but when I make a decision to buy a £30,000 car, with my own money, that I intend to keep for many years, I've done a lot of research to determine that all of it's attributes meet my requirements.

 

Those attributes include overall performance including fuel economy and the impact that stated emissions are likely to have on ongoing running costs.

 

I am not inclined to accept a car whose attributes have been misrepresented to me (and the rest of the world) on the basis that the liars (if that's what they are proved to be) who made it will 'allow me to pay more excise duty', suffer higher depreciation and likely discrimination from every revenue raising authority in the land.

 

Words cannot begin to describe how angry I am about this - having ordered one with an AdBlue tank on it!!!

 

Will likely cancel before the day is out.

The most shocking thing is that they've managed to keep it a secret for so long.

 

Quite impressive really. There must have been hundreds of people in on it and hundreds more that suspected something.

Edited 22 September, 201510 yr by Aspman

There is nothing to sugest any Skoda's are involved at this stage only confirmed that Audi and VW are affected. 

"Now is the winter of our discontent, Mr Winterkorn, made glorious by this pre-cognition of the operating principles of the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership "-  an admirer (Who has been shovelling 1 litre of 10w-40 into the Fabia Mk 1 every 600 miles since 40k and whose "Fitted/Fit for life" gearbox is now giving up the ghost @ 60k).

 

Undoubtedly they are all doing it.

 

Hell knows what'll happen when the journos wake-up to the inappropriate oil viscosity, EGR and  DPF issues. 

 

Meanwhile, Dave sends estuary George to China to promote an overpriced deal for the supply of nucleur energy which will undoubtedly have the effect of making the outcome of  any future hydrocarbon/electrical car cost benefit analysis  look unfavourable in terms of the electric car (Thereby putting the date of mass introduction (2025 ?) further back in the UK) whilst ensuring a "Railway" type economic staple is put on the future use of electric cars in the UK in which the City of London is either a major stakeholder/facilitator.And of course it keeps, what was previously a publicly funded institution off of the Government loan books. They'll be coining the phrase "Multiple birds with one stone" if they're not careful.

 

How Free Trade and Democracy works !

 

 

Nick

Edited 22 September, 201510 yr by Damo
offensive term removed

11 million cars effected.

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That's going to cost a few bob.

Edited 22 September, 201510 yr by FLAPPERJACK7

So VW have been cheating with software to reduce the bad emissions during tests and have to recall 500,000 cars in the US alone,that's before they start on Europe and the U.K.

There is some talk of re testing all the VW cars and resetting there co2 readings obviously upwards, to put us all in a higher tax bracket I presume. I notice all the VW cars mentioned are using similar engines as Seat Skoda do. I wonder if any of these are to be re tested?

So in a nut shell what does that mean for us?

Just as well for shareholder and investors and pension funds (pensioners) that Volkswagen now have the caring sharing feely touchy ethically astute board now in place.

Trusted to see everyone all right and in no way out of pocket, or ill.

(Best not mention the Class Action against Audi in the US on Oil Users.)

 

Important to say that it is now reported that the Driver that died in Australia was driving a manual car and not one with a DSG.

This was about Diesel Engines having loss of power. Or is it Petrols, 

hard to know, VW Austrlia had Diesel & Petrol Engine power loss and failure issues and then also DSG DQ200 issues.

Then the High Oil consumption issues.

USA get a different set of engines, compared to the rest of the world.....literally.

 

VW makes two kinds of engine, for every variant:-

1. NA = North America

2. ROW = Rest Of the World

 

So for the 2.0L TSI variant for example:-

1. NA = CCTA

2. ROW = CCZA 

 

hence i think the "cheating" element only affects US specific engines, that don't meet US emissions.

the rest of the world, should be safe