@lol-lol Let's get some things perfectly straight instead of scoring points with claim and counter-claim all the time? Is it perfectly agreed that apart from the method of propulsion and fuel, the rest of the cars are the same, plastics, fabric, wire, copper, leather, foam, rubber, metal, glass, oil, grease, etc.? Very few car fires involve the fuel, be it petrol or diesel, in the tank; the fuel that is in the tank does not generally become part of the fire. Is the same not true for EV cars? The battery does not normally become part of the fire? Most car fires involve the actual construction of the car and something that the owner/driver is/was doing with the car? Like, smoking or using a dodgy phone charging lead, such as the time my son nearly set my car on fire with a dodgy phone lead that got trapped between his seat and the centre console, and the lead was glowing red hot and scorched the leather seat and melted the plastic on the console? Those things could happen to ANY car type, ICE/EV; they are the same and carry the identical fire risk as the interiors of both are the same. Where the difference comes in is WHEN the fuel in the tank or the fuel in the battery gets to be part of the fire. Liquid fossil fuel: we have had many decades of dealing with that kind of fire, and the fuel tanks are designed to prevent that stored fuel being involved in the fire, just as HV batteries are designed to try and prevent them being part of the fire. That is also one of the benefits of them being mounted below the car and beneath the metal floor. Flames and the heat naturally rise upwards and away from the fuels, so the chances of them being part of the fire are thus greatly reduced. Now comes the undeniable real truths of the matter and anyone who understands chemistry, engineering, and fire should be able to grasp and accept the following concepts, etc. With an ICE car, there is normally only 1 tank, maybe like in some Jags, 2 tanks; with EVs, there is normally only one battery (some cars have a part under the floor and another part under the rear seat, for instance). If an ICE fuel tank develops a leak and lets fuel escape, unless there is a spark or flame in that area, the fuel will not burn, and in the case of petrol, it will just evaporate. If a single cell inside a battery is compromised (either by way of a mechanical means or a manufacturing defect), then that cell creates a short circuit within itself and becomes glowing red hot, and that will be the ignition point and cause the cells next to it also to overheat, and so it goes on. Now Tesla's for example, often use 18650-type cells to make up their batteries, and depending on which model in the range, they have between 5,040 and 8,256 of these cells; thus, that number increases the chances of the equivalent of ICE fuel tank developing a leak per car, so there are between 5,040 and 8,256 chances of a problem happening. I have a Ring-type video doorbell which uses 2 x 18650 lithium-ion cells, and in the last 3 years of owning it, I have had to purchase more cells, as so far 3 of them have failed and never ever become fully charged and also get pretty toasty when being charged, a giveaway sign that they are useless. Thankfully they are not likely to go into thermal runaway, as they are only charged via a normal phone charger, so they are never seeing large currents or voltages, unlike those in an EV, where they would be subjected to both during normal operation. The next real fact is that both petrol and diesel fires are pretty easy to deal with and in most cases the fire brigades can put them out for good within a few minutes, that is not true with EV batteries (note) I said batteries, not EV cars; there is a difference. Currently there is not a properly safe and easily transported and deployable method of dealing with EV batteries, that have gone into thermal runaway following a problem, due to an RTA or an internal cell failure where you have seconds to respond, without the added problem of getting the fire appliances to the scene in time. It has affected insurance premiums, and it is going to increase them even more so in the coming few months. If you are looking for a massive spike in EV premiums as evidence of that, you will be disappointed, as premiums of all cars are increasing to spread that rise about. Can you ever be 100% certain that all RTAs will be EV vs EV, for example? Of course not, so all ICE car owners are also facing increased premiums. Lets face it, if EV premiums were increased on their own and made insuring one cost prohibitive, would anyone buy an EV? Such a move would go against the global narrative of Net Zero, would it not? So that clearly is never going to happen. Oh, and one more thing, which has been totally ignored: nobody is denying that there are more ICE fires than EV, stands to reason, seeing as there are so many more of them around and also far older ones as well, which will not have the same standard of car and attention lavished on them as they age and their value drops, so does that maintenance drop.