There are scenarios where even a very good automatic isn't ideal, although it's less about it being "worse" and more about it being less predictable — and that's where control comes in. I'm not trying to say (modern) automatics are bad — quite the opposite. In 99% of driving conditions most people encounter, they're faster, smoother, and often more efficient. But as @Aspman mentioned, it also depends on the specific implementation, so results can vary. On a personal note — as I mentioned at the start of this thread — I would have gone with an automatic, but the price and added complexity of DSG and mHEV deterred me from it. What can I say? Aversion to complexity is a professional deformation, being an engineer 😄 Driving uphill on snow or other low-traction surfaces is a good example of when automatics struggle. Systems can sometimes hesitate or "hunt" between gears if the available traction confuses the shift logic—especially at low speeds. Modern gearboxes are much better than they used to be, but they still rely on programmed responses rather than true understanding of the situation. That's essentially why different driving modes exist — they are in essence modern, more sophisticated versions of the traditional "low gear" options automatics have. The gearbox and ECU don't actually know whether you're on snow, gravel, or dry asphalt—they infer it from inputs like wheel slip, throttle position, ambient temperature, maybe even navigation data. Modes like snow or off-road then adjust throttle response, shift points, and traction control behaviour to better match expected conditions. So that "extra pedal" and gear lever still give you something no automatic fully replicates: direct, guaranteed control. If conditions change, you can react immediately by selecting the gear you want, and that's it—no interpretation layer in between. With an automatic, that adjustment can be a bit more indirect. Depending on the system, you might need to switch modes or rely on the gearbox logic to respond, and that can take an extra moment or two. Some cars make this very quick with paddles or dedicated buttons, others less so—but in all cases, the system is still interpreting your input rather than executing a purely mechanical choice. If you want to hold a specific gear, in a manual you simply do it—no second-guessing. (Even though some automatics allow manual selection, they may still override it in certain situations.) Automatics may shift faster and often more efficiently, but they aren't fully aware of the environment—they infer it. In edge cases, that difference can matter, especially when you're deliberately operating near the limits of traction. But as you wrote @Evolution13, in most conditions that additional control means nothing.