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[BossFox]

Despite trying to be sensible my mind has wondered off into all things Skoda and tuning, mainly with a view to do what has not been done before.
The last point of which was the reason I lost interest in my Fabia mkI project.
There were fast ones and the odd 4x4 one.  Plus they are already an old model car.


Enter the Citigo...  a brand new model that's very light.


I've borrowed one off my local dealer (thanks to Preston Motors in East London) for a few days and Jabbasort have been doing a lot of measuring.

It would appear four wheel drive and a larger engine are possible.
Obviously there are going to be issues with the size of the engine bay and the way the car is packaged.

It's not going to be easy... at times it will probably be a PITA.

But it's going to be fun...

[softscoop]

Oooooooh yes!

[MartynVRS]

You can't help it can you

Only concern is how much weight would 4wd and a different add to the car? It may be fast but what would it handle like. Only one way to find out

[Mike Wrightson]

Hahahaha! Oh yes, I can't wait for this

[Phil-E]

You're crazy man... I like it!

What type of engine you thinking? 1.4 tsi?

Phil

[BossFox]

MartynVRS, on 13 July 2012 - 10:07, said:

You can't help it can you
Only concern is how much weight would 4wd and a different add to the car? It may be fast but what would it handle like. Only one way to find out

No, I just can't it would seem.
A Citygo is around 850kg. I hope to stay under 1000kg, over 20% lighter than a mkII Fabia VRS at 1215kg.
Handling, err...  high power, 4x4 and a short wheelbase.  It'll be fun/interesting.  Four wheel drifing may be the best way round corners.

philje123, on 13 July 2012 - 10:20, said:

You're crazy man... I like it!
What type of engine you thinking? 1.4 tsi?

No, I'd like to try and get a 1.8t in there as that opens up higher potential power.  350bhp+ which would give it a better power to weight ratio than my midly tuned Nissan GT-R.

I already have a 2004 Audi TT quattro (225bhp version) with all the running gear in storage at Jabbasport.
So that has the 1.8t 20v engine, gearbox and 4x4.

[Phil-E]

Love it!

Ultimate surprise car...

[MartynVRS]

I take it you'll try to keep it looking as standard as possible? I can't wait to see how this goes

[BossFox]

MartynVRS, on 13 July 2012 - 10:33, said:

I take it you'll try to keep it looking as standard as possible?

That's the plan.

Don't want to talk figues too much as it's early days.
But if Jabbasport can get that engine in we could be talking 1/4 miles times in the 11 second range maybe.
Enough to blow off Evos, Scoobies and not well driven GT-Rs.

[fabdavrav]

So the Fabia is a DEFO NO-GO then??.........You really have been changing your mind alot recently havn't you??..........Must be costing a bit of money with that and the changes in the GTR as well!..............Your other half must be VERY understanding..........either that or you like living on a knife edge.........

Back on topic..............4x4 in a city-go....with power..........rename it a "Spinny-GO"............have you been getting insperation from the Ford Fiesta that Ken Block drives????? (Yes I know that the City Go is smaller)

[BossFox]

Skoda Fabia mkII, wheel base: 2465mm
Skoda Citygo, wheel base: 2420mm

A difference of less than 2%.
Great thing about the Citygo, the wheels are at the corners even though it's 50cm shorter than a Fabia.

[BossFox]

Just bought myself a Citygo for the project from Preston Motors.

Looks like we are off and running then...

[Phil-E]

Awesome!

What will you do with the old engine/gearbox just out of curiosity? Sell it to a scrappers?

Does the dealer know what you intend to do with the car?!

Phil

[Evil Miyagi]

I can't wait to see this!

Timescales?

[Kiwibacon]

Subscribing.
Very interesting project.  It's a tough goal fitting in a bigger engine and 4x4 driveline with a 150kg budget.  Good luck.

[R1DAVIE]

You are an absolute legend....slightly bonkers but a legend nonetheless hahaha :-D

[R1DAVIE]

Damn double post, on mobile

[Evil Miyagi]

Rear engine?

[BossFox]

philje123, on 13 July 2012 - 11:37, said:

What will you do with the old engine/gearbox just out of curiosity? Sell it to a scrappers?
Does the dealer know what you intend to do with the car?!

Not much call on new ones I'd guess, so hold onto it until someone blows their up and needs a spare...

R1DAVIE, on 13 July 2012 - 11:39, said:

You are an absolute legend....slightly bonkers but a legend nonetheless hahaha :-D

Thank you.  I think that's a compliment.

Evil Miyagi, on 13 July 2012 - 11:39, said:

Rear engine?

It was considered.  Rear engine and rear drive would have been easier.
But the problem is the size of the car.  The front seats are right in the middle.  If you put the engine behind the front seats it's going to be right at the back anyway, which is not ideal unless you are just going to use it at Santa Pod.  It also made mid engine impossible.
I expect the car to be very response and a bit bonkers.  Having all that weight in the rear and a short wheelbase would probably see me park it into a barrier in reverse pretty quick.
Hopefully, it'll go under the bonnet.

[MartynVRS]

Got a picture of it? Some before and after shots at the end would be good

[BossFox]

I'll get some up when I get chance Martyn.

The build is going to be documented with pictures too.
Hopefuly it should make an interesting read, hence the reason for sharing it with fellow Brisky folk.

[MartynVRS]

I'm just happy people still do stuff like this and with a new car too.

[hussein]

Virtual High Five, dude.

[greenstripe]

Fantastic. I knew you wouldn't be able to resist it. Very much looking forwards to seeing the progress.

[Phil-E]

hussein, on 13 July 2012 - 12:03, said:

Virtual High Five, dude.

Have one from me too...

[Jonny5ive]

Mad as a bicycle. That is all.

[R1DAVIE]

Most definitely a compliment Richard, can't wait to see what you'll come up with.

[grr666]

Brilliant Richard!
Glad there's peole like you around...
Psssst.... Might have found an S3
that fits the bill. so I'll be mobile again soon.

[lfc958]

Please bring it to a meet when its done, whilst i missed out on a ride in the Nissan, i think your Q-car idea for the citygo rocks

[BossFox]

It's going to be some time...

Hoping it'll be done for next year's season.  So March onwards at the latest.
If we get started in the next month or so that should leave time for build and testing and tweaking before then.

It's too tight for time to get it done to a good standard for a late show this year IMO.

I'll probably bring the Nissan to another Kent meet sometime if you fancy a quick whizz up the road.